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Mapsource product preloaded - Can you use Mapsource program?
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| Martin 2006-10-04, 4:33 am |
| Hi everyone.
My Nuvi 310 has Mapsource software for NZ pre-loaded. I have been told by
Garmin that that does not entitle me to use Mapsource software, but I am
starting to think they are confused...
I have a yellow piece of paper with an unlock code on it!!! Is that the
unlock code for the Mapsource program?
Simply want a good bit of software for editing waypoints...
Cheers!
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| Martin 2006-10-04, 4:33 am |
| May be more clear if I begin "My Nuvi 310 has Mapsource MAPS for NZ
pre-loaded."
> My Nuvi 310 has Mapsource software for NZ pre-loaded. I have been told by
> Garmin that that does not entitle me to use Mapsource software, but I am
> starting to think they are confused...
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| Brian K 2006-10-04, 4:33 am |
| I have a Nuvi 310 too. Garmin Australia told me the same thing but Garmin
USA seems to take a different approach.
"Martin" <martin@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:efvej9$df5$1@lu
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> May be more clear if I begin "My Nuvi 310 has Mapsource MAPS for NZ
> pre-loaded."
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| BarnOwl 2006-10-04, 10:33 am |
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"Brian K" <iibntgyea4 REMOVE_THIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I have a Nuvi 310 too. Garmin Australia told me the same thing but Garmin
>USA seems to take a different approach.
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> "Martin" <martin@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:efvej9$df5$1@lu
st.ihug.co.nz...
The Australian and NZ models arent supplied with a Mapsource CD. You can
download Mapsource from Garmin's website but without the original CD
version, it wont install.
My understanding is that you will get Mapsource with your next map update
CD.
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| Martin 2006-10-04, 3:33 pm |
| > The Australian and NZ models arent supplied with a Mapsource CD. You can
> download Mapsource from Garmin's website but without the original CD
> version, it wont install.
>
> My understanding is that you will get Mapsource with your next map update
> CD.
So you're meaning that until we actually BUY an updated map, or a new map
for another country, we won't be able to use the Mapsource program to
organise waypoints, etc.?
Hmmm. New Zealand hasn't had an updated map for ages!
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| Anton Betzler 2006-10-04, 3:33 pm |
| Martin <martin@nospam.com> wrote:
> we won't be able to use the Mapsource program to
> organise waypoints, etc.?
you could install the demo of the French TOPO (MapSource included)
hth
Anton
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| Martin 2006-10-04, 3:33 pm |
| >> we won't be able to use the Mapsource program to
>
> you could install the demo of the French TOPO (MapSource included)
So the demo COMES with Mapsource? That's cunning. Where can I get that
demo?
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| Anton Betzler 2006-10-04, 10:33 pm |
| Martin <martin@nospam.com> wrote:
> Where can I get that demo?
http://gpstopo.fr/
Registration needed . . .
hth
Anton
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| quietguy 2006-10-04, 10:33 pm |
| Mapsource itself can be downloaded from the net for free - getting it is
not the problem. If I understand things correctly (and that is always
in doubt these days) the difficulty is in obtaining the maps to use with
mapsource. I gather you cannot download the maps from the Nuvi to your
computer to use with mapsource, so if you don't have the maps on a cd
then mapsource is of no benefit.
For us Aussies, all is not lost in that we will get both mapsource and
the maps to use with it when we (eventually) get the City Nav 7.0 update
on cd
David
Anton Betzler wrote:
> Martin <martin@nospam.com> wrote:
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> you could install the demo of the French TOPO (MapSource included)
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> hth
> Anton
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| Brian K 2006-10-04, 10:33 pm |
| I guess you have a Nuvi like me. Garmin have had software trouble with the
CDs for the Nuvi. My friend with a C320 got his CD last week (Port
Macquarie).
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> For us Aussies, all is not lost in that we will get both mapsource and
> the maps to use with it when we (eventually) get the City Nav 7.0 update
> on cd
>
> David
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| Dirk Straka 2006-10-05, 4:33 am |
| quietguy wrote:
> Mapsource itself can be downloaded from the net for free -
> getting it is not the problem. If I understand things correctly
> (and that is always in doubt these days) the difficulty is in
> obtaining the maps to use with mapsource.
Martin, go and get _any_ CityNavigator DVD (backup) copy. License
may not be an issue, as you've already payed for a CN license. And
you've got a key to unlock your maps to use them on PC ...
BTW: Over here in Europe, Quest has been selled without DVD, too.
After inquiring Garmin UK, the buyers I know got an extra DVD.
Greets, Dirk
P.S.: You can use "Trip- and Waypoint Manager" in the meantime
to organize your waypoints etc. You can download it for
free from garmin.com.
--
"You never know what is enough until you know what is too much."
William Blake, nicely 200 years ago
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| Jack Erbes 2006-10-05, 7:33 am |
| quietguy wrote:
> Mapsource itself can be downloaded from the net for free - getting it is
> not the problem.
You can only download updates for MapSource for free. MapSource is on
the CD or DVD with the mapping products and installs itself (if it is
not already installed) at the start of the process of installing the
mapping data.
Once you have MapSource installed you can update it with the free
download. Apparently any version of MapSource from any MapSource
mapping product, no matter how old, will qualify to be upgraded.
If you uninstall the MapSource mapping product it will also uninstall
MapSource unless there is another MapSource product on the machine.
> If I understand things correctly (and that is always
> in doubt these days) the difficulty is in obtaining the maps to use with
> mapsource. I gather you cannot download the maps from the Nuvi to your
> computer to use with mapsource, so if you don't have the maps on a cd
> then mapsource is of no benefit.
<snip>
The benefit of having MapSource without maps might be in using it to
manage tracks, waypoints, and routes. There are a number of sharewares
that will do that too though. I'd think that Garmin would be smart to
distribute MapSource as a stand alone product for the GPS users that
receive pre loaded products and don't have a MapSource mapping product.
It would let them use it for backing up their data if nothing else and
might encourage more sales of the mapping data.
Jack
--
Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA - jackerbes at adelphia dot net
(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine.com)
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| "Martin" <martin@nospam.com> wrote:
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> So the demo COMES with Mapsource? That's cunning. Where can I get =
that=20
> demo?=20
I think you will need to be more clear of what "MapSource" you are =
talking
about or what "MapSource" you want to know. Because it goes something =
like
this
- All Garmin devices will require the *MAIN* MapSource program in order =
to
upload the other specific MapSource map like "City Navigator", "City
Select", "Blue Chart" and so on.
- The *MAIN* MapSource is available on Garmin web site for *FREE*, but =
it's
pretty much the Front-End for other MapSource map like "Garmin MapSource
CVity Navigator", "Garmin MapSource City Select" and so on.
- Does the DEMO come with MapSource? I guess it doesn't matter as you can
always download MapSource at Garmin web site. I think it's the complete
MapSource not the upgrade (but now I am not 100% sure, or you can give it=
a
try yourself).
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| quietguy 2006-10-05, 10:33 pm |
| Yeh Brian I have the Nuvi 310 - I hear conflicting reports of the Nuvi
version being out in a few weeks and at the end of Oct. Wait and see I guess
David
Brian K wrote:
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> I guess you have a Nuvi like me. Garmin have had software trouble with the
> CDs for the Nuvi. My friend with a C320 got his CD last week (Port
> Macquarie).
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| Dirk Straka 2006-10-06, 10:33 pm |
| Jack Erbes wrote:
[...]
> I'd think that Garmin would be smart to distribute MapSource as
> a stand alone product for the GPS users that receive pre loaded
> products and don't have a MapSource mapping product.
BTW: They _have_ a MapSource mapping product!
> It would let them use it for backing up their data
What about Trip- and Waypoint Manager?
Greets, Dirk
--
"You never know what is enough until you know what is too much."
William Blake, nicely 200 years ago
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| Jack Erbes 2006-10-08, 10:33 am |
| Dirk Straka wrote:
> Jack Erbes wrote:
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> BTW: They _have_ a MapSource mapping product!
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> What about Trip- and Waypoint Manager?
Dirk,
I think we are splitting hairs over words here. I'd say they have the
same data on their unit as you get when you buy a mapping product.
The part of my post that you snipped was about the stuff that comes on
CD's and DVD's and how the MapSource application is installed from the
CD-ROM or DVD when you buy what I call a "MapSource mapping product"
that way.
If you don't buy a product on CD/DVD you don't get MapSource.
So my point was that they should distribute the MapSource application
freely for the people that don't get their MapSource mapping product on
a CD or DVD. Further to that, they should either give them a CD or DVD
with mapping data that was pre loaded or let them download it to the
MapSource install on the PC so that they can use it there.
Trip and Waypoint Manager (TWM) seems to be of little use me. I got it
for free with my 76Cx and it was priced right at free (it is a ripoff at
the MSRP of $29.95). Email me if you want to try it, I'll send it to you.
TWM has a world wide map of major roads (I think the roads are those
that would be seen on the various base maps of some or all of the units
sold). But the roads on the map with TWM will not autoroute.
You can place waypoints or map points and build only "off road" or
"point to point" routes with TWM. You could edit the points and routes
and save them to *.gdb files. And you could the download the waypoints
and routes data from units that allow it and look at and manage the data
in TWM. But there would be no street level detail and no autorouting on
streets and roads with TWM.
A person who bought a GPS with a pre loaded mapping data (as would be
sold as a mapping product on CD or DVD) has nothing to use for building
routes on a PC unless they also buy a MapSource mapping product on
CD/DVD. Ideally you would have the same data both on the GPS unit and
on the DVD.
Jack
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Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA - jackerbes at adelphia dot net
(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine.com)
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| Martin 2006-10-09, 4:33 am |
| Wonderful! Nicely put - my sentiments exactly. My GPS problems have been
solely attributed to the fact that I was editing the gpx files myself simply
because I had no other suitable backup software.
> I think we are splitting hairs over words here. I'd say they have the
> same data on their unit as you get when you buy a mapping product.
>
> The part of my post that you snipped was about the stuff that comes on
> CD's and DVD's and how the MapSource application is installed from the
> CD-ROM or DVD when you buy what I call a "MapSource mapping product" that
> way.
>
> If you don't buy a product on CD/DVD you don't get MapSource.
>
> So my point was that they should distribute the MapSource application
> freely for the people that don't get their MapSource mapping product on a
> CD or DVD. Further to that, they should either give them a CD or DVD with
> mapping data that was pre loaded or let them download it to the MapSource
> install on the PC so that they can use it there.
>
> Trip and Waypoint Manager (TWM) seems to be of little use me. I got it
> for free with my 76Cx and it was priced right at free (it is a ripoff at
> the MSRP of $29.95). Email me if you want to try it, I'll send it to you.
>
> TWM has a world wide map of major roads (I think the roads are those that
> would be seen on the various base maps of some or all of the units sold).
> But the roads on the map with TWM will not autoroute.
>
> You can place waypoints or map points and build only "off road" or "point
> to point" routes with TWM. You could edit the points and routes and save
> them to *.gdb files. And you could the download the waypoints and routes
> data from units that allow it and look at and manage the data in TWM. But
> there would be no street level detail and no autorouting on streets and
> roads with TWM.
>
> A person who bought a GPS with a pre loaded mapping data (as would be sold
> as a mapping product on CD or DVD) has nothing to use for building routes
> on a PC unless they also buy a MapSource mapping product on CD/DVD.
> Ideally you would have the same data both on the GPS unit and on the DVD.
>
> Jack
>
> --
> Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA - jackerbes at adelphia dot net
> (also receiving email at jacker at midmaine.com)
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Jack Erbes wrote:
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> A person who bought a GPS with a pre loaded mapping data (as would be
> sold as a mapping product on CD or DVD) has nothing to use for building
> routes on a PC unless they also buy a MapSource mapping product on
> CD/DVD. Ideally you would have the same data both on the GPS unit and
> on the DVD.
It makes absolutely no sense to me why Garmin would sell a unit with
preloaded maps and not include the maps to use with MapSource in a PC.
(They did include the DVD for the maps with my 2720, but not all
purchasers got this from what I hear. Some did get the DVD from Garmin
when asked.)
One of the best things about the 2720 is being able to construct routes
on my PC and download them to the GPS. Without that, I'd be getting a
*lot* less use from my unit.
-hank
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| Jack Erbes 2006-10-09, 10:33 pm |
| HankB wrote:
> Jack Erbes wrote:
> ....
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> It makes absolutely no sense to me why Garmin would sell a unit with
> preloaded maps and not include the maps to use with MapSource in a PC.
> (They did include the DVD for the maps with my 2720, but not all
> purchasers got this from what I hear. Some did get the DVD from Garmin
> when asked.)
>
> One of the best things about the 2720 is being able to construct routes
> on my PC and download them to the GPS. Without that, I'd be getting a
> *lot* less use from my unit.
>
And you still get the DVD with the 2720, 2730, and 2820. But if you buy
a nuvi or any of the "i" or "c" series StreetPilots you get nothing.
Those units are all too "dumbed down" on things like saving tracks,
multiple destination routing, etc., to be of any interest to me. They
are for the drivers that will simply turn off their heads, follow the
prompts, are willing to set one destination at a time, and have no
benefit in their a track history. If people ask me about them I
recommend against them generally.
I know many people buy them and are happy with them. But when I explain
to people what they are "missing", they generally will say "Well why did
they leave that off, I'd like to have that feature".
Jack
--
Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA (jackerbes at adelphia dot net)
(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine dot com)
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Jack Erbes wrote:
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> And you still get the DVD with the 2720, 2730, and 2820. But if you buy
> a nuvi or any of the "i" or "c" series StreetPilots you get nothing.
Two minor nits... Early purchasers of the 2720/2730 had to request the
DVD. By the time I got mine, it was included though. The C320 does not
have pre-installed maps so it ships with City Select DVD.
> Those units are all too "dumbed down" on things like saving tracks,
> multiple destination routing, etc., to be of any interest to me. They
> are for the drivers that will simply turn off their heads, follow the
> prompts, are willing to set one destination at a time, and have no
> benefit in their a track history. If people ask me about them I
> recommend against them generally.
Good point about the need for map DVD (or not!) with some of the
simpler units. OTOH, the C320 is great for my wife's use. All she needs
is something to help get her to a destination and the C320 does that
quite well.
> I know many people buy them and are happy with them. But when I explain
> to people what they are "missing", they generally will say "Well why did
> they leave that off, I'd like to have that feature".
I think that results from less than clear descriptions on the vendor's
web site (or whereever the buyer does their research.) At least I find
it a bit of a challenge to identify the differences between the units.
I've read that you actually have to download the manual for various
units to determine which ones are waterproof.
And I guess the other question would be "Did you expect to get all of
the features that a unit costing hundreds of dollars more includes?"
There's no doubt that Garmin leaves features out of their less
expensive units to provide value for those who choose to pay more.
-hank
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