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City Navigator NA Size?
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| Looking at buying a memory card for a 76CSx.
How much space does City Navigator NA V8 take if you select all of the US?
Same thing for City Navigator NA NT V8, how much space?
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Andy
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| Jack Erbes 2006-12-15, 10:33 pm |
| Andy wrote:
> Looking at buying a memory card for a 76CSx.
>
> How much space does City Navigator NA V8 take if you select all of the US?
>
> Same thing for City Navigator NA NT V8, how much space?
1.633 GB for CN V8, I'm told that the CN NT map file is about 900 mb on
the preloaded units.
Jack
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(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine dot com)
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| Ramon F Herrera 2006-12-15, 10:33 pm |
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Andy wrote:
> Looking at buying a memory card for a 76CSx.
>
> How much space does City Navigator NA V8 take if you select all of the US?
>
> Same thing for City Navigator NA NT V8, how much space?
> --
> Andy
Background info:
I have an SP-2730 and a n=FCvi 660. I just updated the maps of the 2730
from v7 to v8; it took more than one hour. If I mount it as USB it
shows as a 1.92 GB volume with 1.13 GB being used. Not sure how much
that helps.
The 660 shows as a 1.87GB volume with 1.30 GB being used.
Is there a way to determine the actual space used by the NA NT v8 maps
in both units?
-Ramon
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| Steve Calvin 2006-12-16, 4:33 am |
| Andy wrote:
> Looking at buying a memory card for a 76CSx.
>
> How much space does City Navigator NA V8 take if you select all of the US?
>
> Same thing for City Navigator NA NT V8, how much space?
I'd get a Sandisk 2G MicroSD card.
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Steve
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| 946.6MB with CN NT V8
"Andy" <","@.> wrote in message
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> Looking at buying a memory card for a 76CSx.
>
> How much space does City Navigator NA V8 take if you select all of the US?
>
> Same thing for City Navigator NA NT V8, how much space?
> --
> Andy
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| Ramon F Herrera 2006-12-16, 4:33 am |
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yk wrote:
> 946.6MB with CN NT V8
>
How did you find out?
-Ramon
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| Steve Calvin wrote:
> Andy wrote:
>
> I'd get a Sandisk 2G MicroSD card.
>
I was thinking of getting the 2G card. Just wanted to make sure I still
had plenty of room left for storing daily track logs.
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Andy
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| Carl Heinz 2006-12-16, 4:33 am |
| On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:17:53 -0800, Andy <","@.> wrote:
>Steve Calvin wrote:
>
>I was thinking of getting the 2G card. Just wanted to make sure I still
>had plenty of room left for storing daily track logs.
Found a Sandisk 2GB MicroSD on Amazon yesterday for 59.95. With shipping,
came to around $65.
There are several listings, so you have to dig through them to find this one.
It wasn't the first in the list.
Carl
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| Ramon F Herrera 2006-12-16, 4:33 am |
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Carl Heinz wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:17:53 -0800, Andy <","@.> wrote:
>
>
> Found a Sandisk 2GB MicroSD on Amazon yesterday for 59.95. With shipping,
> came to around $65.
>
> There are several listings, so you have to dig through them to find this one.
> It wasn't the first in the list.
>
> Carl
> --
The list price for those at Radio Shack is $90, but they have them at
50% off. I got one a couple of days ago. I believe that's the maximum
size a Garmin will take?
-Ramon
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| Jack Erbes 2006-12-16, 10:33 am |
| Ramon F Herrera wrote:
<snip>
> Is there a way to determine the actual space used by the NA NT v8 maps
> in both units?
>
The maps are in *.img files. The preloaded maps and any supplemental
detail maps that you may have loaded should be in different folders
because they will generally all have the same name (that may vary though).
If the GPS has external memory (SD cards, etc.) the supplemental map
will be on that generally, will be named gmapsupp.img, and will be in a
folder named /garmin.
If you connect by USB and look at the two drives, the one named garmin
is the GPS memory, the one named Removable Drive is the external memory,
by clicking on the files and folders you can see all the files.
Change your Windows Explorer View setting to Details and click on the
various folders and files to note the sizes of the files. Or you can
right click any file and select Properties to view the details.
Jack
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(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine.com)
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| Steve Calvin 2006-12-16, 10:33 am |
| Ramon F Herrera wrote:[color=darkred
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> Carl Heinz wrote:
You got me curious so I select all of the US maps (No Canada
or Mexico) 1.53Gb is what it takes. With a 2G card, that'd
leave you about a half a gig for tracks.
I'll stress, you need to buy a Sandisk. No one that I've
heard had problems with that brand but other brands have had
problems.
I haven't heard of anyone going with a 4G card so I'd
probably shy away from those.
If that's not enough room for your tracking requirements,
get 2 -2 Gig cards and have one for east of the Mississippi
and the other for west of it. Takes about 5 seconds to
change on the 76 models.
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Steve
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| Ramon F Herrera 2006-12-16, 10:33 am |
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Jack Erbes wrote:
>
> The maps are in *.img files. The preloaded maps and any supplemental
> detail maps that you may have loaded should be in different folders
> because they will generally all have the same name (that may vary though).
>
> If the GPS has external memory (SD cards, etc.) the supplemental map
> will be on that generally, will be named gmapsupp.img, and will be in a
> folder named /garmin.
In my SP-2730 the only *.img file is garmin/gmapprom.img (965,728 KB)
so that must be the CN NA NT v8 that I installed recently. Too bad
Windows doesn't show creation or modification dates, only date of last
access.
In my n=FCvi 660 there are two: one at Garmin/gmapbmap.img (5,344 KB)
and the other at Garmin/gmapprom.img (965,728 KB). The names are pretty
much self explanatory:
Garmin Map Base and Garmin Man Programmable Read-only-Memory.
At 988,905,472 bytes, the sizes in both models are identical so the
world makes sense again. I bet they have the same md5sum.
-Ramon
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| Jack Erbes <jackerbes@adelphia.net> wrote:
> Ramon F Herrera wrote:
>=20
> <snip>
maps[color=darkred]
>=20
> The maps are in *.img files. The preloaded maps and any supplemental=20
> detail maps that you may have loaded should be in different folders=20
> because they will generally all have the same name (that may vary =
though).
Can you give me some detail information between the "Pre-loaded" map and
"External Memory" cuz I have been thinking of upgrading my old Garmin to
newer with "External Memory" and I am so confused with lacking of detail
info and more info than I have expected. So my questions
- Does "Pre-Loaded" map suppose to be stored in Internal Memory? Or from
the info above I understand that the pre-loaded map is stored in =
"External
Memory"?
- *If* the unit is "Pre-Loaded" and also have external memory supported =
(up
to 2-4GB form example), and using "External Memory" is what I plan to =
get.
And my question is, can the (old) pre-loaded map be *disabled* so it can =
use
the newer map on external memory?
> If the GPS has external memory (SD cards, etc.) the supplemental map=20
> will be on that generally, will be named gmapsupp.img, and will be in a=
=20
> folder named /garmin.
>=20
> If you connect by USB and look at the two drives, the one named garmin=20
> is the GPS memory, the one named Removable Drive is the external =
memory,=20
> by clicking on the files and folders you can see all the files.
OK, this tells me that the model has internal memory... and that's part =
of
my confisuion. Cuz if Garmin can recognize Internal & External as 2
separated devices (drives) then it shouldn't have any problem with each
separated drive using same FOLDER NAME (????). But may be Garmin works
different than computer????
> Change your Windows Explorer View setting to Details and click on the=20
> various folders and files to note the sizes of the files. Or you can=20
> right click any file and select Properties to view the details.
>=20
> Jack
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| Ramon F Herrera 2006-12-16, 12:33 pm |
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Ramon F Herrera wrote:
> At 988,905,472 bytes, the sizes in both models are identical so the
> world makes sense again. I bet they have the same md5sum.
>
> -Ramon
Yes indeed, dear self:
F:\garmin>md5sum gmapprom.img
f77c71d0752597918ac3
d14f6a8461a0 *gmapprom.img
G:\Garmin>md5sum gmapprom.img
f77c71d0752597918ac3
d14f6a8461a0 *gmapprom.img
-RFH
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| Ramon F Herrera 2006-12-16, 12:33 pm |
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Joel wrote:
> Jack Erbes <jackerbes@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
h).[color=darkred]
>
> Can you give me some detail information between the "Pre-loaded" map and
> "External Memory" cuz I have been thinking of upgrading my old Garmin to
> newer with "External Memory" and I am so confused with lacking of detail
> info and more info than I have expected. So my questions
>
> - Does "Pre-Loaded" map suppose to be stored in Internal Memory? Or from
> the info above I understand that the pre-loaded map is stored in "External
> Memory"?
>
> - *If* the unit is "Pre-Loaded" and also have external memory supported (=
up
> to 2-4GB form example), and using "External Memory" is what I plan to get.
> And my question is, can the (old) pre-loaded map be *disabled* so it can =
use
> the newer map on external memory?
>
>
> OK, this tells me that the model has internal memory... and that's part =
of[color=darkred]
> my confisuion. Cuz if Garmin can recognize Internal & External as 2
> separated devices (drives) then it shouldn't have any problem with each
> separated drive using same FOLDER NAME (????). But may be Garmin works
> different than computer????
>
Joe:
The internal and external memories are not seen as a unified filesystem
in which the name collision could be a problem. Every time the unit
needs a song, for instance, it looks in internal and then in external
memory.
The n=FCvi 660 comes with the NT v8 maps preloaded in internal memory
and they throw in for free a "Garmin Travel Guide" in a 128 MB SD card.
I bought a 2GB SD memory, but I only use it for MP3 music.
I am pretty sure that the highest capacity SD supported by current
Garmins is 2 GB as larger capacity is a different stadard (SDHC).
http://www.sdcard.org/sdhc/index.html
-Ramon
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| sierra 2006-12-16, 3:33 pm |
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>
> I am pretty sure that the highest capacity SD supported by current
> Garmins is 2 GB as larger capacity is a different stadard (SDHC).
>
> http://www.sdcard.org/sdhc/index.html
>
> -Ramon
The latest release of Mapsource had the following notes:
"Fixed an issue with transferring map sets larger than 2 GB to units.
MapSource supports transferring map sets up to 4 GB in size. Note that
some units do not support map sets over 2 GB in size
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| "Ramon F Herrera" <ramon@conexus.net> wrote in message
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> yk wrote:
>
> How did you find out?
>
> -Ramon
MapSource shows the toltal size selected.
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| Steve Calvin 2006-12-17, 10:33 am |
| yk wrote:
> "Ramon F Herrera" <ramon@conexus.net> wrote in message
> news:1166246031.433086.242030@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
>
> MapSource shows the toltal size selected.
>
>
>
ok, I'm cunfused... I have a mapsource session up with all
of the United States in it and it says 1.53Gb. Maps only.
No topos. Why is yours that much smaller? You sure that you
have V8?
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Steve
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| Don Girard 2006-12-17, 10:33 am |
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"Steve Calvin" <calvins@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> ok, I'm cunfused... I have a mapsource session up with all of the United
> States in it and it says 1.53Gb. Maps only. No topos. Why is yours that
> much smaller? You sure that you have V8?
>
> --
> Steve
My regular V8 CN (Not NT) with all of the United States, excluding Alaska
and Hawaii, show
1056.8MB or 1.06GB
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| Jack Erbes 2006-12-17, 10:33 am |
| Steve Calvin wrote:
> yk wrote:
> ok, I'm cunfused... I have a mapsource session up with all of the United
> States in it and it says 1.53Gb. Maps only. No topos. Why is yours that
> much smaller? You sure that you have V8?
With CN NA V8, selecting everything (zooming way out first to make I get
all of Canada, Alaska and Hawaii) gives me
309 Maps - 1633.8MB with route calculation data selected
309 Maps - 1165.4MB without route calculation data selected
Jack
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(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine dot com)
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| Jack Erbes wrote:
> With CN NA V8, selecting everything (zooming way out first to make I
get
> all of Canada, Alaska and Hawaii) gives me
> 309 Maps - 1633.8MB with route calculation data selected
> 309 Maps - 1165.4MB without route calculation data selected
> Jack
Where do you toggle route calculation data?
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Andy
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| Jack Erbes 2006-12-17, 12:33 pm |
| Andy wrote:
> Jack Erbes wrote:
>
> Where do you toggle route calculation data?
Click on the Maps tab in the User Data Tabs, and there is a check box
there that becomes active when you have any maps selected.
I've also noticed that the size of map files (as seen in Windows
Explorer Details view after they are uploaded to the GPS) is generally a
little bit larger than the size listed in MapSource. I don't know if
that is because of the difference in the way a MB can be measured and/or
expressed or what.
The bottom line is that if you are uploading against a fixed amount of
memory you may have to select slightly less than that to get a
successful upload.
Jack
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(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine dot com)
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| Carl Heinz 2006-12-17, 3:33 pm |
| On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 12:55:34 -0500, Jack Erbes <jackerbes@adelphia.net> wrote:
>Click on the Maps tab in the User Data Tabs, and there is a check box
>there that becomes active when you have any maps selected.
>
This is grayed out if you're loading NT maps. It's my understanding that
route data is automatically included if you're using the NT format.
Carl
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| Ramon F Herrera 2006-12-17, 10:33 pm |
| Carl Heinz wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 12:55:34 -0500, Jack Erbes <jackerbes@adelphia.net> w=
rote:
>
[color=darkred]
> This is grayed out if you're loading NT maps. It's my understanding
that
> route data is automatically included if you're using the NT format.
>
> Carl
This makes a lot of sense, given the fact that the one and only map
file in my StreetPilot 2730 and n=FCvi 660 both look like this:
Garmin/gmapprom.img (988,905,472 bytes)
As we know, those two models use the NT technology.
-Ramon F Herrera
ps: Carl: are you in the Boston area? Are you an ex Cayman? :-)
ramon at jonjay dot com
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| Ramon F Herrera 2006-12-17, 10:33 pm |
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Ramon F Herrera wrote:
> Carl Heinz wrote:
wrote:[color=darkred
]
>
> that
>
>
> This makes a lot of sense, given the fact that the one and only map
> file in my StreetPilot 2730 and n=FCvi 660 both look like this:
>
> Garmin/gmapprom.img (988,905,472 bytes)
>
Correction. These are the only map/route files:
StreetPilot 2730:
garmin/gmapprom.img (988,905,472 bytes)
n=FCvi 660:
Garmin/gmapbmap.img (5,472,256 bytes) <- base map
Garmin/gmapprom.img (988,905,472 bytes) <- CN NA NT v8
For some reason the base map doesn't show in the SP-2730 and it clearly
looks like the routing data is integrated in the same file as the map
data, as Carl stated.
-Ramon
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| Steve Calvin 2006-12-17, 10:33 pm |
| Jack Erbes wrote:
> Steve Calvin wrote:
>
> With CN NA V8, selecting everything (zooming way out first to make I get
> all of Canada, Alaska and Hawaii) gives me
>
> 309 Maps - 1633.8MB with route calculation data selected
>
> 309 Maps - 1165.4MB without route calculation data selected
>
> Jack
>
ok, now I'm even more confused.
I have CN NA V8 and MapSource 6.11.6 and have the entire
continental US selected with route calc. on and I have 387
maps using 1525.8MB
I don't know if you'll be able to make it out from this
screen capture, but I gave it a shot
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL41...4/214228260.jpg
--
Steve
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| Ramon F Herrera 2006-12-17, 10:33 pm |
|
Steve Calvin wrote:
> Jack Erbes wrote:
> ok, now I'm even more confused.
>
> I have CN NA V8 and MapSource 6.11.6 and have the entire
> continental US selected with route calc. on and I have 387
> maps using 1525.8MB
>
> I don't know if you'll be able to make it out from this
> screen capture, but I gave it a shot
>
> http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL41...4/214228260.jpg
Steve:
I am going to venture a guess. The non-NT units cannot handle
compressed data directly, and need a little extra elbow room in the
PROM memory. That's why if you have, say, a 256 MB card, you have to
select a little less than that amount of memory?
Perhaps the NT units have a faster CPU and can deal with compressed
data without having to uncompress it on the storage?
You didn't say what GPS model you have. I bet it is not NT (SP-2620 and
beyond).
-Ramon
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| Steve Calvin 2006-12-17, 10:33 pm |
| Ramon F Herrera wrote:
<snip>
>
> Steve:
>
> I am going to venture a guess. The non-NT units cannot handle
> compressed data directly, and need a little extra elbow room in the
> PROM memory. That's why if you have, say, a 256 MB card, you have to
> select a little less than that amount of memory?
>
> Perhaps the NT units have a faster CPU and can deal with compressed
> data without having to uncompress it on the storage?
>
> You didn't say what GPS model you have. I bet it is not NT (SP-2620 and
> beyond).
>
> -Ramon
>
Sorry, you're right. I should have stated that I have the 76CSx
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Steve
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| Xxxxx 2006-12-17, 10:33 pm |
| Radio Shack has the 2GB MicroSD's at 50% off? I was looking at their website
earlier this evening, and I didn't see the 2GB listed at all... just the 1GB
for $70. I'll have to check the newspaper ads.
--
Nada y nadie
"Ramon F Herrera" <ramon@conexus.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> The list price for those at Radio Shack is $90, but they have them at
> 50% off. I got one a couple of days ago. I believe that's the maximum
> size a Garmin will take?
>
> -Ramon
>
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| Ramon F Herrera 2006-12-17, 10:33 pm |
|
Xxxxx wrote:
> Radio Shack has the 2GB MicroSD's at 50% off? I was looking at their website
> earlier this evening, and I didn't see the 2GB listed at all... just the 1GB
> for $70. I'll have to check the newspaper ads.
>
I bought it at the local Radio Shack store in Burlington, MA. I had no
intention of buying anything at the current prices but when the guy
said that all of the SD cards were half off I jumped. Anyway, the new
high capacity SDs (4GB+) are being introduced, so I expect the prices
of the 2GB and lower to drop substantially.
Make sure that you buy original Sans Disk, as the others may have
problems.
-Ramon
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| Ramon F Herrera wrote:
> Xxxxx wrote:
>
> I bought it at the local Radio Shack store in Burlington, MA. I had no
> intention of buying anything at the current prices but when the guy
> said that all of the SD cards were half off I jumped. Anyway, the new
> high capacity SDs (4GB+) are being introduced, so I expect the prices
> of the 2GB and lower to drop substantially.
>
> Make sure that you buy original Sans Disk, as the others may have
> problems.
>
> -Ramon
>
I check my local Radio Shack and they only had the 1gb cards for $70.
They said all the stores in my area were out of the 2 gb cards.
--
Andy
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| Steve Calvin 2006-12-18, 10:33 am |
| Andy wrote:
> Ramon F Herrera wrote:
>
> I check my local Radio Shack and they only had the 1gb cards for $70.
> They said all the stores in my area were out of the 2 gb cards.
>
$64 @ Amazon: http://tinyurl.com/y7v6vo
--
Steve
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| Jack Erbes 2006-12-18, 10:33 am |
| Steve Calvin wrote:
<snip>
> With CN NA V8, selecting everything (zooming way out first to make I
> ok, now I'm even more confused.
>
> I have CN NA V8 and MapSource 6.11.6 and have the entire continental US
> selected with route calc. on and I have 387 maps using 1525.8MB
>
> I don't know if you'll be able to make it out from this screen capture,
> but I gave it a shot
>
> http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL41...4/214228260.jpg
I can't figure out why you would get more maps than I would.
Product Info... from the Help/About MapSource screen reports CN NA as
data version 8.00. And it looks like yours does of course.
I'm zoomed out to 1,500 miles and selecting the entire blue block and
getting Puerto Rico, Hawaii, and all of Alaska and Canada. Seems like
we should be getting similar numbers.
Jack
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(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine.com)
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| Jack Erbes 2006-12-18, 10:33 am |
| Ramon F Herrera wrote:
<snip>
> Steve:
>
> I am going to venture a guess. The non-NT units cannot handle
> compressed data directly, and need a little extra elbow room in the
> PROM memory. That's why if you have, say, a 256 MB card, you have to
> select a little less than that amount of memory?
>
> Perhaps the NT units have a faster CPU and can deal with compressed
> data without having to uncompress it on the storage?
>
> You didn't say what GPS model you have. I bet it is not NT (SP-2620 and
> beyond).
But we are comparing sizes as seen from MapSource on a PC when the maps
are selected. I'd think that would be the same everywhere. I'm using a
76Cx.
Jack
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| Xxxxx 2006-12-18, 10:33 am |
| I have a 2620 and just got the updated city navigator 8 for North America
for it. I've heard that you can unlock CN to two devices--but I don't know
the mechanics of doing that if one of the devices doesn't have a version of
CN to begin with. It's practically automatic putting it onto the 2620, since
it had CN6 (and later CN7 and now CN8) to begin with. The 76cx does NOT have
CN to start with, so there's nothing there to update.
I don't have a stand-alone copy of CN for my PC. The only place it exists is
on myi 2620, and in some form or another on the update DVD I received from
Garmin. Am I going to be able to put CN8 onto my 76cx (assuming I get a 2GB
MicroSD for it), or will I have to buy a separate copy of City Navigator?
(I've used the unlock code once, to update the 2620).
Or, alternatively, can I copy the installed files from my 2620's 2GB CF (I
replaced the hard drive with a CD for faster performance) to a 2GB MicroSD
and insert it into the 76cx? I wouldn't think this would work, given how
easy it would make piracy.
--
Nada y nadie
"Jack Erbes" <jackerbes@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> Ramon F Herrera wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> But we are comparing sizes as seen from MapSource on a PC when the maps
> are selected. I'd think that would be the same everywhere. I'm using a
> 76Cx.
>
> Jack
>
> --
> Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA - jackerbes at adelphia dot net
> (also receiving email at jacker at midmaine.com)
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| Carl Heinz 2006-12-18, 10:33 am |
| On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:39:41 GMT, "Xxxxx" <Not_gonna_give@all.com> wrote:
>I have a 2620 and just got the updated city navigator 8 for North America
>for it. I've heard that you can unlock CN to two devices--but I don't know
>the mechanics of doing that if one of the devices doesn't have a version of
>CN to begin with. It's practically automatic putting it onto the 2620, since
>it had CN6 (and later CN7 and now CN8) to begin with. The 76cx does NOT have
>CN to start with, so there's nothing there to update.
>
>I don't have a stand-alone copy of CN for my PC. The only place it exists is
>on myi 2620, and in some form or another on the update DVD I received from
>Garmin. Am I going to be able to put CN8 onto my 76cx (assuming I get a 2GB
>MicroSD for it), or will I have to buy a separate copy of City Navigator?
>(I've used the unlock code once, to update the 2620).
>
>Or, alternatively, can I copy the installed files from my 2620's 2GB CF (I
>replaced the hard drive with a CD for faster performance) to a 2GB MicroSD
>and insert it into the 76cx? I wouldn't think this would work, given how
>easy it would make piracy.
I've not had any problem unlocking an update on a second GPS whether or not it
had a previous version. Have you tried to just go through the normal second
GPS unlock proceedure?
In the case of my 76Cx, I've got one card with CN NA v8, and a second card
with CN Europe v8 (v9 is on order). I've also got both map products unlocked
on a 2720. Earlier versions have been installed a 2610 and a 76C.
Hadn't really thought about it, but I suspect the upgrade test is in
MapSource, and not on a specific device, so it probably doesn't make a
difference if an earlier version is on a device--only if it's in MapSource.
Carl
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| Steve Calvin 2006-12-18, 10:33 am |
| Jack Erbes wrote:
<snip>
> I can't figure out why you would get more maps than I would.
ok, just smack me..... I forgot to delete my topos from
that M.S. session <rolling eyes> Now when I have *only* the
CN Maps for the Contenental US (no PR, Alaska, Canada, or
Hawaii) I have 279 maps using 1492.2MB (kind of
appropriate... ;-0 ) with Route Calculation data turned on.
--
Steve
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| Jack Erbes 2006-12-18, 12:33 pm |
| Xxxxx wrote:
> I have a 2620 and just got the updated city navigator 8 for North
> America for it. I've heard that you can unlock CN to two devices--but I
> don't know the mechanics of doing that if one of the devices doesn't
> have a version of CN to begin with. It's practically automatic putting
> it onto the 2620, since it had CN6 (and later CN7 and now CN8) to begin
> with. The 76cx does NOT have CN to start with, so there's nothing there
> to update.
>
> I don't have a stand-alone copy of CN for my PC. The only place it
> exists is on myi 2620, and in some form or another on the update DVD I
> received from Garmin. Am I going to be able to put CN8 onto my 76cx
> (assuming I get a 2GB MicroSD for it), or will I have to buy a separate
> copy of City Navigator? (I've used the unlock code once, to update the
> 2620).
If you got CN 8 on DVD install it on your PC. Once you do that, from
MapSource, you should be able to go online and see your customer account
there and see if you can tell what you have unlocked there now.
If you see your 2620 there you should be good to go on the first unlock.
I'm not familiar with how you would use the DVD install on your PC to
upgrade the 2620 install to CN 8. Maybe someone here or Garmin tech
support can help with that.
But once you get MapSource and CN V8 installed on your PC you can
connect the 2620 by USB and see where your maps are now.
With CN 8 installed, and one unlock already in use for the 2620, you
should be able to go online and unlock it for the 76Cx. Connect the
76Cx to your USB port before you start the unlock process and it will
read the Unit ID Number from there.
> Or, alternatively, can I copy the installed files from my 2620's 2GB CF
> (I replaced the hard drive with a CD for faster performance) to a 2GB
> MicroSD and insert it into the 76cx? I wouldn't think this would work,
> given how easy it would make piracy.
No, that would not work because the maps on the 2620 are keyed to work
only with that GPS by the Unit ID Number of the GPS.
You say you replaced your hard drive with a CD, did you mean to say CF
card? If so, did you just copy everything from the microDrive to the CF
card and then plug the CF card in? And it all worked?
Jack
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(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine.com)
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| Ramon F Herrera 2006-12-18, 3:33 pm |
| Jack Erbes wrote:
> Steve Calvin wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> I can't figure out why you would get more maps than I would.
>
> Product Info... from the Help/About MapSource screen reports CN NA as
> data version 8.00. And it looks like yours does of course.
>
> I'm zoomed out to 1,500 miles and selecting the entire blue block and
> getting Puerto Rico, Hawaii, and all of Alaska and Canada. Seems like
> we should be getting similar numbers.
>
> Jack
>
> --
> Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA - jackerbes at adelphia dot net
> (also receiving email at jacker at midmaine.com)
Jack:
Again, what is the difference in number of maps and storage sizes
between you and Steve? I can check with my MapSource (which I never
used, having everything preloaded).
Just to make sure: you folks realize that while the non-NT USA maps are
hundreds, the NT maps are only 50, right? That is *almost* one map per
US state. In some cases a few small states are covered by the same map,
and conversely, the larger states are covered by more than one map.
For instance, if I select the contiguous USA (incorrectly referred as
"continental"), I get 48 maps.
-Ramon
| |
|
| Yes... I replaced it with a CF... I began that sentence correctly, but then
"misspoke" when I said CD. And yes, I simply copied the contents of the
micodrive to the CF and it worked perfectly when inserted into my 2620.
My 76cx will arrive later this week, so I can't experiment to see what works
yet.
--
Nada y nadie
"Jack Erbes" <jackerbes@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:COqdnQmT99NZRhv
YnZ2dnUVZ_hy3nZ2d@ad
elphia.com...
> Xxxxx wrote:
>
>
> If you got CN 8 on DVD install it on your PC. Once you do that, from
> MapSource, you should be able to go online and see your customer account
> there and see if you can tell what you have unlocked there now.
>
> If you see your 2620 there you should be good to go on the first unlock.
> I'm not familiar with how you would use the DVD install on your PC to
> upgrade the 2620 install to CN 8. Maybe someone here or Garmin tech
> support can help with that.
>
> But once you get MapSource and CN V8 installed on your PC you can connect
> the 2620 by USB and see where your maps are now.
>
> With CN 8 installed, and one unlock already in use for the 2620, you
> should be able to go online and unlock it for the 76Cx. Connect the 76Cx
> to your USB port before you start the unlock process and it will read the
> Unit ID Number from there.
>
>
> No, that would not work because the maps on the 2620 are keyed to work
> only with that GPS by the Unit ID Number of the GPS.
>
> You say you replaced your hard drive with a CD, did you mean to say CF
> card? If so, did you just copy everything from the microDrive to the CF
> card and then plug the CF card in? And it all worked?
>
> Jack
>
> --
> Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA - jackerbes at adelphia dot net
> (also receiving email at jacker at midmaine.com)
| |
|
| That's not an option, as far as I can tell. This is the Update DVD, and
works only on already-installed versions. That's why I'm wondering if I'll
be able to use it to put CN NAv8 onto my 76cx, which is due to arrive later
this week.
The only options are: Update the 2620/2610, Update a different Garmin GPS,
and Launch Web Updater, none of which will put CN onto my computer. I'll try
the 2nd option (update a different Garmin GPS) when the 76cx arrives, but
based on how it worked with the 2620, I'm not optimistic, since the 76cx
doesn't already have CN on it.
I explored around the DVD to see if there were any other installation/setup
..exe files, but none of them are willing to do a straight CN installation
onto my PC. They're all geared to updating an existing CN.
--
Nada y nadie
"Jack Erbes" <jackerbes@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:COqdnQmT99NZRhv
YnZ2dnUVZ_hy3nZ2d@ad
elphia.com...
> Xxxxx wrote:
>
> If you got CN 8 on DVD install it on your PC. Once you do that, from
> MapSource, you should be able to go online and see your customer account
> there and see if you can tell what you have unlocked there now.
| |
| Steve Calvin 2006-12-18, 3:33 pm |
| Ramon F Herrera wrote:
> Jack Erbes wrote:
[color=darkred]
> Again, what is the difference in number of maps and storage sizes
> between you and Steve? I can check with my MapSource (which I never
> used, having everything preloaded).
>
> Just to make sure: you folks realize that while the non-NT USA maps are
> hundreds, the NT maps are only 50, right? That is *almost* one map per
> US state. In some cases a few small states are covered by the same map,
> and conversely, the larger states are covered by more than one map.
>
> For instance, if I select the contiguous USA (incorrectly referred as
> "continental"), I get 48 maps.
>
> -Ramon
>
Actually when I realized that I also had topos of the NE
loaded I deleted them. Loaded all of US, Hawaii, Alaska,
Canada, and P.R. and I not have the exact same numbers as
Jack. <phew, I'm feeling much better now... ;-D >
--
Steve
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|
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| Bert Hyman 2006-12-18, 3:33 pm |
| In news:ICDhh.10579$FJ4.10257@newsfe18.lga "Don F"
<nobody@NOSPAMhome.com> wrote:
> "Steve Calvin" <calvins@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:UQwhh.2$H45.0@newsfe11.lga...
><snip>
> ----------------
> Are we writing about the same item?
> From Amazon:
> ****
> SanDisk 2 GB SD Memory Card ( SDSDB-2048-A10, Retail Package)
No; that's a full-sized SD card, while the OP was talking about microSD
cards, as the 60/76CSx use.
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com
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| Steve Calvin 2006-12-18, 10:33 pm |
| Don F wrote:
> "Steve Calvin" <calvins@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:UQwhh.2$H45.0@newsfe11.lga...
> <snip>
> ----------------
> Are we writing about the same item?
> From Amazon:
> ****
> SanDisk 2 GB SD Memory Card ( SDSDB-2048-A10, Retail Package)
> Other products by SanDisk
> (71 customer reviews) More about this product
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> List Price: $89.99
> Price: $34.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver
> Shipping. Details
> You Save: $55.00 (61%)
>
> ***
> Don F
>
No, you're looking at a standard sized SD card. I thought
the question was about a 60 or 76 series Garmin CSx unit
which both use the micro SD cards, which is the link I posted.
Sandisk Micro SD 2 GB
Other products by SanDisk
More about this product
List Price: $119.99
Price: $64.00
You Save: $55.99 (47%)
Availability: In Stock. Ships from and sold by EMartBuyUSA.
Want it by Dec. 22? View this seller's shipping details.
9 used & new available from $64.00
--
Steve
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| Don F 2006-12-18, 10:33 pm |
| "Bert Hyman" <bert@iphouse.com> wrote in message
news:Xns989D9D83525D
4VeebleFetzer@216.250.184.7...
> In news:ICDhh.10579$FJ4.10257@newsfe18.lga "Don F"
> <nobody@NOSPAMhome.com> wrote:
>
>
> No; that's a full-sized SD card, while the OP was talking about microSD
> cards, as the 60/76CSx use.
> --
> Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com
---------
Thanks, Bert.
I checked further and found the reason for my confusion. Some posters in
this thread are speaking of SD cards on sale at Radio Shack (for the Nuvi
line) while others were posting sale information (at Amazon) for the MicroSD
cards which are used in the smaller units.
Don F
| |
| Steve Calvin 2006-12-18, 10:33 pm |
| Don F wrote:
> ---------
> Thanks, Bert.
> I checked further and found the reason for my confusion. Some posters in
> this thread are speaking of SD cards on sale at Radio Shack (for the Nuvi
> line) while others were posting sale information (at Amazon) for the MicroSD
> cards which are used in the smaller units.
> Don F
>
>
The OP specifically asked about the 76CSx which is what I
was addressing.
"Looking at buying a memory card for a 76CSx"
--
Steve
| |
| Xxxxx 2006-12-18, 10:33 pm |
| The 2GB MicroSD (transflash) cards seem pretty hard to come by at retail
outlets. I visited Radio Shack, Staples, and Office Depot today. All had a
1GB MicroSD, but none had the 2GB.
--
Nada y nadie
"Steve Calvin" <calvins@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:WIFhh.2127$1D.142@newsfe08.lga...
> Don F wrote:
>
>
> The OP specifically asked about the 76CSx which is what I was addressing.
>
> "Looking at buying a memory card for a 76CSx"
>
> --
> Steve
| |
| Steve Calvin 2006-12-18, 10:33 pm |
| Xxxxx wrote:
> The 2GB MicroSD (transflash) cards seem pretty hard to come by at retail
> outlets. I visited Radio Shack, Staples, and Office Depot today. All had
> a 1GB MicroSD, but none had the 2GB.
>
Yup. The internet is a marvelous thing. :-)
--
Steve
| |
| Jack Erbes 2006-12-18, 10:33 pm |
| Xxxxx wrote:
> That's not an option, as far as I can tell. This is the Update DVD, and
> works only on already-installed versions. That's why I'm wondering if
> I'll be able to use it to put CN NAv8 onto my 76cx, which is due to
> arrive later this week.
Okay, that's too bad.
Send me an email at jacker at midmaine dot com, maybe I can give you
some help with that.
Jack
--
Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA (jackerbes at adelphia dot net)
(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine dot com)
| |
| Jack Erbes 2006-12-18, 10:33 pm |
| Ramon F Herrera wrote:
<snip>
> Again, what is the difference in number of maps and storage sizes
> between you and Steve? I can check with my MapSource (which I never
> used, having everything preloaded).
The difference was that Steve also had some maps from topo selected and
that was changing his numbers. Mine were for CN NA V8 only.
> Just to make sure: you folks realize that while the non-NT USA maps are
> hundreds, the NT maps are only 50, right? That is *almost* one map per
> US state. In some cases a few small states are covered by the same map,
> and conversely, the larger states are covered by more than one map.
No, that there are only 50 maps in NT that is news to me. I did not
know that it had been reduced to that small a number. I only knew NT
reduces the storage space by about 25 percent.
I guess at about one map per state turning individual maps on and off
would be a little less bewildering.
I have CN, Topo, and BlueChart maps on mine and they are pretty
bewildering to go though. There are over 500 of them and are not
listed in a single alphabetical sort in the Map Setup menu. They are
grouped by Topo, then BlueChart, then City Navigator but the individual
maps are not alphabetical within each of those groups.
I don't know why I'd want to turn individual maps on and off anyway, I
just use the Menu to turn them all off and then turn on the one product
I want to see or use.
> For instance, if I select the contiguous USA (incorrectly referred as
> "continental"), I get 48 maps.
And I get 279 maps 1057.3 mb for CONUS.
And we can agree to disagree on the continental and contiguous thing.
The government and U.S. military refer to it as CONUS and further define
that as "the Continental United States". As a retired military guy I'm
mired in the way I used it there and for so long.
Jack
--
Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA (jackerbes at adelphia dot net)
(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine dot com)
| |
| Steve Calvin 2006-12-18, 10:33 pm |
| Jack Erbes wrote:
> Ramon F Herrera wrote:
<snip>
Do a google search on +"continental united states". You'll
get over 2 million returns including encyclopedias.
[color=darkred]
>
> And I get 279 maps 1057.3 mb for CONUS.
>
Gee Jack, that's exactly what I get with Route Calc. off.
1481.3MB with it on. It's amazing how the numbers match if
I pay attention to what the h*ll I have loaded... ;-D
--
Steve
| |
| Ramon F Herrera 2006-12-18, 10:33 pm |
|
Steve Calvin wrote:
> Jack Erbes wrote:
> <snip>
>
> Do a google search on +"continental united states". You'll
> get over 2 million returns including encyclopedias.
>
I know the term is widely used, but it is still wrong. I don't think
Alaskians would agree that they are located outside the American
continent.
If they define "continental USA" as 49 states they are right. The
problem is that most people think that continental USA is the same as
the 48 contiguous states. The "48 lower states" term, incidentally, is
also wrong because the lowest USA state is Hawaii.
-Ramon
| |
| Jack Erbes 2006-12-18, 10:33 pm |
| Steve Calvin wrote:
> Jack Erbes wrote:
> <snip>
>
> Do a google search on +"continental united states". You'll get over 2
> million returns including encyclopedias.
>
>
> Gee Jack, that's exactly what I get with Route Calc. off. 1481.3MB with
> it on. It's amazing how the numbers match if I pay attention to what
> the h*ll I have loaded... ;-D
Yeah, and I get 1481.3 mb if I check the routing box. Amazing ain't it?
Jack
--
Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA (jackerbes at adelphia dot net)
(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine dot com)
| |
| Jack Erbes 2006-12-18, 10:33 pm |
| Ramon F Herrera wrote:
> Steve Calvin wrote:
>
> I know the term is widely used, but it is still wrong. I don't think
> Alaskians would agree that they are located outside the American
> continent.
>
> If they define "continental USA" as 49 states they are right. The
> problem is that most people think that continental USA is the same as
> the 48 contiguous states. The "48 lower states" term, incidentally, is
> also wrong because the lowest USA state is Hawaii.
>
None are really wrong, I guess it boils down to what you intend it to
mean. I think of CONUS as including Alaska but not Hawaii. And I think
of the lower 48 as meaning the same thing as the contiguous U.S. (a term
I never happen to use).
Here is a wiki take on it and I like it because no one is wrong, we can
all be right if we want to be.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States
"Administrative divisions
Main article: Political divisions of the United States
The conterminous, or contiguous, forty-eight states—all the states but
Alaska and Hawaii—are also called the continental United States. Some
include Alaska in the "continental" states, because, although it is
separated from the "lower forty-eight" by Canada, it is part of the
North American mainland. All of these terms commonly include the
District of Columbia. Hawaii, the fiftieth state, occupies an
archipelago in the Pacific Ocean."
Jack
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Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA (jackerbes at adelphia dot net)
(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine dot com)
| |
|
| Steve Calvin wrote:
> Andy wrote:
>
> $64 @ Amazon: http://tinyurl.com/y7v6vo
>
That's not from Amazon, that's from EmartbuyUSA reseller. I don't buy
from companies/people I don't know.
Searching Amazon for products THEY sell is almost impossible anymore.
--
Andy
| |
| Steve Calvin 2006-12-18, 10:33 pm |
| Andy wrote:
<snip>
>
> That's not from Amazon, that's from EmartbuyUSA reseller. I don't buy
> from companies/people I don't know.
>
> Searching Amazon for products THEY sell is almost impossible anymore.
>
Obviously, that's your choice. <and loss>
--
Steve
| |
|
| Steve Calvin wrote:
> Andy wrote:
> <snip>
>
> Obviously, that's your choice. <and loss>
>
Not sure how it can be a "loss." If someone walked up on the street and
offered a product like a memory card for cheap I wouldn't buy it.
Every time I see something I would consider buying from a reseller on
Amazon, I read negative comments. 1 negative is too many for my taste.
Same thing for ebay or any site that is person to person selling. No
thanks. No loss to me.
--
Andy
| |
| Carl Heinz 2006-12-19, 4:33 am |
| On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:12:29 -0800, Andy <","@.> wrote:
>That's not from Amazon, that's from EmartbuyUSA reseller. I don't buy
>from companies/people I don't know.
>
>Searching Amazon for products THEY sell is almost impossible anymore.
I'm presently looking at the new 2GB MicroSD from Emartbuy via Amazon sitting
on the computer stand in front of me. Just came today, and I've not yet used
it, but it sure looks like the one I got using Ebay a while back and that
worked.
Now if I could get Garmin to use my master code so I can order the DVD for CN
Europe v9, I'll have a reason to use it. I tried late last week to get the
update order process to work with my code. Called Garmin. They ended up
sending another CN NA DVD instead of what I wanted. Looks like I get to
spend more telephone time with Garmin tomorrow. Argh!
Carl
--
Carl Heinz
cfheinz57@charter.net
(Remove number)
| |
| Steve Calvin 2006-12-19, 7:33 am |
| Andy wrote:
> Steve Calvin wrote:
>
> Not sure how it can be a "loss." If someone walked up on the street and
> offered a product like a memory card for cheap I wouldn't buy it.
>
> Every time I see something I would consider buying from a reseller on
> Amazon, I read negative comments. 1 negative is too many for my taste.
> Same thing for ebay or any site that is person to person selling. No
> thanks. No loss to me.
>
Well let's see. Think of any store. They are all nothing but
resellers. You think that Sears makes the Kenmore line of
products? You think that the grocery stores have dairies
for milk and eggs and make all of the things on their
shelves? The key is to checkout the reseller. I, and many
many others purchase items from the net daily, and if you
know anything about Amazon, they're very reputable.
--
Steve
| |
| Steve Scott 2006-12-19, 7:33 am |
| Not even brick and mortar stores have 100% satisfaction. In many
cases it's MUCH harder to get the real scoop on them. At least eBay
and Amazon give you some means to ascertain the quality of the vendor.
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 21:32:29 -0800, Andy <","@.> wrote:
>Not sure how it can be a "loss." If someone walked up on the street and
>offered a product like a memory card for cheap I wouldn't buy it.
>
>Every time I see something I would consider buying from a reseller on
>Amazon, I read negative comments. 1 negative is too many for my taste.
> Same thing for ebay or any site that is person to person selling. No
>thanks. No loss to me.
| |
|
| Andy <","@.> wrote:
<snip>
> That's not from Amazon, that's from EmartbuyUSA reseller. I don't buy=20
> from companies/people I don't know.
This has nothing to do with GPS, but I find this is another interesting
statement <g>. And I just wonder..
- How do you get to know some companies/people?
- How many companies/people do you know?
... and a little more funny thought in my head ... If you have to travel=
to
different town/state/country etc.. who pumps and pays for gassoline???=20
> Searching Amazon for products THEY sell is almost impossible anymore.
Me, I have been doing Mail-Order way way way before internet was born, =
and
I buy from just about any company that gives me better deal. And because
now we have more crook than before, so I read end user's feedback to give=
my
trust to stranger (who is easy on my $$$).
| |
|
| Andy <","@.> wrote:
> Steve Calvin wrote:
>
> Not sure how it can be a "loss." If someone walked up on the street and
> offered a product like a memory card for cheap I wouldn't buy it.
>
> Every time I see something I would consider buying from a reseller on
> Amazon, I read negative comments. 1 negative is too many for my taste.
> Same thing for ebay or any site that is person to person selling. No
> thanks. No loss to me.
I dunno, I can see lot of losses to me.
- first, it tells me that you can easy be fooled by stranger. If 1
"negative" is more than enough
- It seems like you are living in the Negative_World cuz this world should
have more than 1 negative vote.
- It's a big loss, cuz you are wasting your time searching for negative
which you shouldn't cuz we don't live in the perfect world. Just look
around you may see.
- You (yourself) are getting more and more negative <bg> because some of
us can't find much or any possitive from you <bg>
- If you are a Christian (example of course), you may already knew Jesus
doesn't get all possitive <bg>.
-- (just another funny thought), if you DO NOT BUY from companies/people you
don't know ... and if the computer, GPS, food, car etc. you have not the
gifts from people you know .. then must be stolen stuffs. And I don't
expect you search eBay for relatives/friends of yours <bg>
| |
|
| Wow you guys are harsh.
Really makes no difference to me. Products are only worth what someone
wants to pay. Relating the buying of something online to "life" makes
no sense to me. Not that I could really care. Millions of people buy
and sell stuff online all the time. I'm not one of them. It's not a
loss to me, but obviously you guys get all worked up about it.
Have a nice day. :)
--
Andy
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