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why is nuvi's price $899.99 everywhere?
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| subPlanck@excite.com 2005-12-26, 5:49 pm |
| Everywhere I look the Garmin nuvi 350's price is $899.99--is this some
kind of cartel or what? What happened to the idea of a free market and
competition? I don't believe everybody's costs are identical to a
penny...
z.entropic
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| Steve Calvin 2005-12-26, 5:49 pm |
| subPlanck@excite.com wrote:
> Everywhere I look the Garmin nuvi 350's price is $899.99--is this some
> kind of cartel or what? What happened to the idea of a free market and
> competition? I don't believe everybody's costs are identical to a
> penny...
>
> z.entropic
>
Typically you won't see prices on Garmin units vary much, if
at all. I don't know for certain why that is except
possibly that Garmin "fixes" the sale price of their units.
You can, if diligent, sometimes find them for less. For
instance, I found my 76CS for $350 but that was only due to
the websites own discount at the time. I haven't seen it since.
--
Steve
If you can't beat 'em, they're not tied down properly.
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| bruce.gilman@gmail.com 2005-12-26, 11:48 pm |
| I got my nuvi at sparco.com for less than $700.00 including shipping
Bruce
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| Nospam 2005-12-26, 11:48 pm |
| I've seen the Nuvi 350 for as low as $649 at Page Computers but they upped
their price to $899 on Friday.
http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_...nuvi+3
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<subPlanck@excite.com> wrote in message
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> Everywhere I look the Garmin nuvi 350's price is $899.99--is this some
> kind of cartel or what? What happened to the idea of a free market and
> competition? I don't believe everybody's costs are identical to a
> penny...
>
> z.entropic
>
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| Steve Calvin 2005-12-26, 11:48 pm |
| Nospam wrote:
> I've seen the Nuvi 350 for as low as $649 at Page Computers but they upped
> their price to $899 on Friday.
>
> http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_...nuvi+3
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>
> <subPlanck@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:1135616168.360059.261750@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
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>
>
yup. As I stated before, I think that Garmin controls when
the prices can drop and when they can't. That's just judging
from my experience looking for a 76CS. I found it on "sale"
for $350 for 1 week. I've never seen it for that since for a
new unit.
I think that Garmin sets the rules on selling their stuff.
Find it on sale? Want it? You'd better grab it. JMHO
--
Steve
If you can't beat 'em, they're not tied down properly.
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| Dave M 2005-12-27, 11:49 pm |
| The only way they can set the rules is by what they charge wholesale and
they do set min advertised prices, buy not the selling price.
"Steve Calvin" <calvins@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> Nospam wrote:
> yup. As I stated before, I think that Garmin controls when the prices can
> drop and when they can't. That's just judging from my experience looking
> for a 76CS. I found it on "sale" for $350 for 1 week. I've never seen it
> for that since for a new unit.
>
> I think that Garmin sets the rules on selling their stuff.
>
> Find it on sale? Want it? You'd better grab it. JMHO
>
> --
> Steve
>
> If you can't beat 'em, they're not tied down properly.
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| tvnav.com 2005-12-27, 11:49 pm |
| Garmin has a minimum selling price on the nuvi, Edge and several of the
aviation units.
--
Darrel Goheen
GPS@tvnav.com
http://www.tvnav.com
<subPlanck@excite.com> wrote in message
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> Everywhere I look the Garmin nuvi 350's price is $899.99--is this some
> kind of cartel or what? What happened to the idea of a free market and
> competition? I don't believe everybody's costs are identical to a
> penny...
>
> z.entropic
>
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| tvnav.com 2005-12-27, 11:49 pm |
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"Dave M" <davem@nojunk.cinci.rr.com> wrote in message
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> The only way they can set the rules is by what they charge wholesale and
> they do set min advertised prices, buy not the selling price.
Oh yes they do.....on a few of their products.
--
Darrel Goheen
GPS@tvnav.com
http://www.tvnav.com
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| Dave M 2005-12-28, 5:49 pm |
| Actually that violates anti-trust law. Long ago the cosmetic companies did
it, and they where forcced to go to suggested retail prices. One thing they
did was dealer rebated and spiffs.
"tvnav.com" <GPS@tvnav.com> wrote in message
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> "Dave M" <davem@nojunk.cinci.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:ZTjsf.77027$lh.73604@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
>
> Oh yes they do.....on a few of their products.
> --
>
>
> Darrel Goheen
> GPS@tvnav.com
> http://www.tvnav.com
>
>
>
>
>
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| Phil Wheeler 2005-12-28, 5:49 pm |
| Dave M wrote:
> Actually that violates anti-trust law.
Not convinced .. so long as Garmin and Magellan, et al, are not agreeing
together on fixing prices.
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| Steve Calvin 2005-12-28, 5:49 pm |
| Phil Wheeler wrote:
> Dave M wrote:
>
>
>
> Not convinced .. so long as Garmin and Magellan, et al, are not agreeing
> together on fixing prices.
Wanna see a prime case of fixed pricing (other than Garmin)?
Try buying a Weber Silver Genesis grill or Weber Smokey
Mountain smoker on sale anywhere (other than seconds).
Anyone who really believes that the government watches over
this stuff needs a serious reality check.
--
Steve
If you can't beat 'em, they're not tied down properly.
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| tvnav.com 2005-12-28, 5:49 pm |
|
"Dave M" <davem@nojunk.cinci.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Actually that violates anti-trust law.
I don't think so. I'm pretty sure that Garmin has some of the best legal
counsel available and I'm pretty sure they are not breaking any laws. Bose
has done the minimum selling price for many years. There are other companies
that do it too although I can't think of any right now.
--
Darrel Goheen
GPS@tvnav.com
http://www.tvnav.com
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| subPlanck@excite.com 2005-12-28, 11:49 pm |
| tvnav.com wrote:
> I don't think so. I'm pretty sure that Garmin has some of the best legal
> counsel available and I'm pretty sure they are not breaking any laws. Bose
> has done the minimum selling price for many years. There are other companies
> that do it too although I can't think of any right now.
How about Rolex?
z.entropic
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| subPlanck@excite.com 2005-12-28, 11:49 pm |
| Thanks for the valuable tip--while the price today was slightly over
yours, it's still a great deal; my unit is being shipped as we speak!
Interestingly enough, Sparco.com didn't come up on any of the many
price-comparison sites I've tried the last couple of weeks.
z.entropic
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| Steve Calvin 2005-12-28, 11:49 pm |
| subPlanck@excite.com wrote:
> Thanks for the valuable tip--while the price today was slightly over
> yours, it's still a great deal; my unit is being shipped as we speak!
>
> Interestingly enough, Sparco.com didn't come up on any of the many
> price-comparison sites I've tried the last couple of weeks.
>
> z.entropic
>
And you're talking to whom?!?
--
Steve
If you can't beat 'em, they're not tied down properly.
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| subPlanck@excite.com 2005-12-28, 11:49 pm |
| Sorry, I was thanking Bruce for the Sparco.com tip.
I hope you don't feel offended? :-)
z.entropic
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| Steve Calvin 2005-12-29, 5:49 pm |
| subPlanck@excite.com wrote:
> Sorry, I was thanking Bruce for the Sparco.com tip.
>
> I hope you don't feel offended? :-)
>
> z.entropic
>
Not'all... just naturally curious. ;-) (quoting a piece of
the original which you're replying to helps significantly
and generally considered to be "proper" in the land of usenet)
--
Steve
If you can't beat 'em, they're not tied down properly.
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| subPlanck@excite.com 2005-12-29, 5:49 pm |
| Darrel Goheen said:
> Garmin has a minimum selling price on the nuvi, Edge and several of the
> aviation units.
How come Sparco.com, a huge, old and well-regarded (check their C-NET
rating) web merchant, sell nuvi for $711--and they say they have 120 of
them in stock?
Something doesn't compute with all these 'minimum selling price'
claims. Does the minimum selling price have anything to do with being
an authorized dealer? But then, how could a non-authorized dealer get
120 hot units?
z.entropic
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| subPlanck@excite.com 2005-12-29, 5:49 pm |
| Darrel Goheen said:
> Garmin has a minimum selling price on the nuvi, Edge and several of the
> aviation units.
How come Sparco.com, a huge, old and well-regarded (check their C-NET
rating) web merchant, sell nuvi for $711--and they say they have 120 of
them in stock?
Something doesn't compute with all these 'minimum selling price'
claims. Does the minimum selling price have anything to do with being
an authorized dealer? But then, how could a non-authorized dealer get
120 hot units?
z.entropic
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| Steve Calvin 2005-12-29, 5:49 pm |
| subPlanck@excite.com wrote:
> Darrel Goheen said:
>
>
>
>
> How come Sparco.com, a huge, old and well-regarded (check their C-NET
> rating) web merchant, sell nuvi for $711--and they say they have 120 of
> them in stock?
>
> Something doesn't compute with all these 'minimum selling price'
> claims. Does the minimum selling price have anything to do with being
> an authorized dealer? But then, how could a non-authorized dealer get
> 120 hot units?
>
> z.entropic
>
well, that depends on what "return for replacement only"
means, which is what's specified on their site. I saw
nowhere that it stated what that means though.
--
Steve
If you can't beat 'em, they're not tied down properly.
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| subPlanck@excite.com 2005-12-29, 5:49 pm |
|
Steve Calvin wrote:
> subPlanck@excite.com wrote:
> well, that depends on what "return for replacement only"
> means, which is what's specified on their site. I saw
> nowhere that it stated what that means though.
I asked. It means that you can't get a cash credit when you return the
unit; you can only replace it for another one, which is a policy other
retailers use as well (for example, Best Buy) with regard to GPS units.
I asked, and was told that the units are NIB, not refurbished,
unopened, straight from the manufacturer, with a full manufacturer's
warranty.
So, what's the catch--and what's the answer to my original question?
z.entropic
> --
> Steve
>
> If you can't beat 'em, they're not tied down properly.
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| tvnav.com 2005-12-29, 11:48 pm |
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<subPlanck@excite.com> wrote in message
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> Darrel Goheen said:
>
>
> How come Sparco.com, a huge, old and well-regarded (check their C-NET
> rating) web merchant, sell nuvi for $711--and they say they have 120 of
> them in stock?
They just haven't been shut down yet and or they don't care if they
don't get more product. Because our only source of income is being a Garmin
dealership we must continue to get product shipped to us.
> Something doesn't compute with all these 'minimum selling price'
> claims.
It DOES compute with us.
Does the minimum selling price have anything to do with being
> an authorized dealer?
No, and if Garmin can track down where the fly by night outfits buy
their Garmin products they will shut that source down.
But then, how could a non-authorized dealer get
> 120 hot units?
Very easily, they could buy them from us or any other Garmin dealer. It
is our responsibility as a Garmin dealer to monitor any re-sellers that we
sell to to make sure they comply with Garmin policy.
--
Darrel Goheen
GPS@tvnav.com
http://www.tvnav.com
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| tvnav.com 2005-12-29, 11:48 pm |
|
<subPlanck@excite.com> wrote in message
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>
> Steve Calvin wrote:
>
> I asked. It means that you can't get a cash credit when you return the
> unit; you can only replace it for another one, which is a policy other
> retailers use as well (for example, Best Buy) with regard to GPS units.
> I asked, and was told that the units are NIB, not refurbished,
> unopened, straight from the manufacturer,
I'm not so sure about that. I can't find sparco listed as a dealer on
the Garmin website.
--
Darrel Goheen
GPS@tvnav.com
http://www.tvnav.com
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| Miss Information 2005-12-29, 11:49 pm |
| I shopped at Circuit City for a Garmin Quest. Retail price at the time was
$549. CC's sale price was $325. I ask the salesman if he could give me a
discount, he called the store manager who dropped the price to $260. I took
it.
MI
"Steve Calvin" <calvins@optonline.net> wrote in message
> yup. As I stated before, I think that Garmin controls when the prices can
> drop and when they can't. That's just judging from my experience looking
> for a 76CS. I found it on "sale" for $350 for 1 week. I've never seen it
> for that since for a new unit.
>
> I think that Garmin sets the rules on selling their stuff.
>
> Find it on sale? Want it? You'd better grab it. JMHO
>
> --
> Steve
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| subPlanck@excite.com 2005-12-30, 2:48 am |
|
tvnav.com wrote:
> Does the minimum selling price have anything to do with being
>
> No, and if Garmin can track down where the fly by night outfits buy
> their Garmin products they will shut that source down.
Darrel, sorry to say that but you sound like a case of sour grapes.
The list of Garmin products sold by Sparco seems to be very extensive,
with hundreds of units available in stock.
http://www.sparco.com/cgi-bin/searc...go.x=15&go.y=11
Some fly-by-night operation, operating since 1992, with hundreds of
thousands of products available and GSA/DoD/MIL contracts...
> But then, how could a non-authorized dealer get 120 hot units?
>
> Very easily, they could buy them from us or any other Garmin dealer.
And then sell it below the purchase price? Even if they sell it at
cost, a ~22% markup (900-710)/900) would seem extraordinarily high.
> It is our responsibility as a Garmin dealer to monitor any re-sellers that we
> sell to to make sure they comply with Garmin policy.
And what is that policy--to prevent free competition based on price,
aka cartel? Sorry, that's my point of view, as a consumer. Your point
of view may vary.
z.entropic
> Darrel Goheen
> GPS@tvnav.com
> http://www.tvnav.com
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| brucecg 2005-12-30, 5:48 pm |
| Oh by the way.
I am very happy with my Sparco order (and my nuvi). It was NIB and
delivery time was as expected. I registered it with Garmain and also
ordered a CD from Garmin with maps. Garmin customer service is great
and very responsive.
If you want an external antenna the place to buy is yachtiq.com. Best
price and delivery.
Bruce
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| subPlanck@excite.com 2005-12-30, 5:48 pm |
| brucecg wrote:
> Oh by the way.
> I am very happy with my Sparco order (and my nuvi). It was NIB and
> delivery time was as expected. I registered it with Garmain and also
> ordered a CD from Garmin with maps. Garmin customer service is great
> and very responsive.
> If you want an external antenna the place to buy is yachtiq.com. Best
> price and delivery.
> Bruce
Bruce, once again, you tip is very much appreciated.
z.entropic
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| tvnav.com 2005-12-30, 11:48 pm |
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<subPlanck@excite.com> wrote in message
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>
> tvnav.com wrote:
>
> Darrel, sorry to say that but you sound like a case of sour grapes.
I am VERY sour. Garmin watches us like a hawk with their policies but
they simply cannot control everyone. Why would we not be sour about it when
it's taking food off of our table? We bust our butts to offer correct
information for the products we sell, we are always completely honest with
our customers and we offer the lowest prices possible. Try asking **arco or
any of the large chains a tech question about a Garmin unit and see what
happens. What is our reward when we are forced to follow Garmin's minimum
selling price policy when other sellers aren't? Absolutely a big ZERO and
that doesn't taste good. We cannot expect customers to pay $150.00+ more to
buy from us just because we are nice, honest and knowledgeable folks. I know
I wouldn't.
> The list of Garmin products sold by Sparco seems to be very extensive,
> with hundreds of units available in stock.
> http://www.sparco.com/cgi-bin/searc...go.x=15&go.y=11
> Some fly-by-night operation, operating since 1992, with hundreds of
> thousands of products available and GSA/DoD/MIL contracts...
First of all I did not mention any particular company. When a company
does not follow policy and are dis-honest they can be defined by me as fly
by night. Perhaps my definition is wrong. Call them what you want. That's
the nicest, printable thing I could come up with at the time.
> And what is that policy--to prevent free competition based on price,
> aka cartel? Sorry, that's my point of view, as a consumer. Your point
> of view may vary.
My point of view on this subject is in line with Garmin policy. Anyone
that knows our company knows that normally we have VERY competitive prices
on Garmin products. When we no longer do that it should be a very good
indication of something other than we just want to make a larger profit.
--
Darrel Goheen
GPS@tvnav.com
http://www.tvnav.com
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| subPlanck@excite.com 2005-12-30, 11:48 pm |
|
tvnav.com wrote:
> <subPlanck@excite.com> wrote in message
>
> I am VERY sour. Garmin watches us like a hawk with their policies but
> they simply cannot control everyone. Why would we not be sour about it when
> it's taking food off of our table? We bust our butts to offer correct
> information for the products we sell, we are always completely honest with
> our customers and we offer the lowest prices possible. Try asking **arco or
> any of the large chains a tech question about a Garmin unit and see what
> happens. What is our reward when we are forced to follow Garmin's minimum
> selling price policy when other sellers aren't? Absolutely a big ZERO and
> that doesn't taste good. We cannot expect customers to pay $150.00+ more to
> buy from us just because we are nice, honest and knowledgeable folks. I know
> I wouldn't.
I sympathize with you and your point of view and have never claimed
it's the dealers' fault that (almost) all the prices for the nuvi are
$899.99. You don't have to be a Commerce Dept. gumshoe to smell a rat.
If I had more time, this is a very good case to follow and check why,
at the source. I may still do that as, in the end, such policies hit
the consumer's pocket and make decent merchant folks' life more
difficult.
>
> First of all I did not mention any particular company. When a company
> does not follow policy and are dis-honest they can be defined by me as fly
> by night.
Well, you really shouldn't say the above as neither you nor I really
don't know what's dishonest in this case. From my point of view, if I
can get an original, perfectly working product that is registerable and
has full warranty, for a lower price, what's wrong? What I hate is any
kind of monopolistic, cartel-like rules that prevent free market forces
to do their optimization work.
>
> My point of view on this subject is in line with Garmin policy. Anyone
> that knows our company knows that normally we have VERY competitive prices
> on Garmin products. When we no longer do that it should be a very good
> indication of something other than we just want to make a larger profit.
That may well be, and probably is, true, but the enforced minimum
selling price for nuvi, if that's what it is, is crying for consumer
action.
If anybody else is annoyed by the unnaturally uniform prices for the
product under discussion at a very broad spectrum of sellers,
especially in view of the apparent enforcement of such prices by the
manufacturer towards the dealers, here are some links to a relevant
additional reading material or use to file a complaint:
http://www.ftc.gov/ftc/antitrust.htm
http://www.ftc.gov/be/v030015.htm
https://rn.ftc.gov/pls/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01
Let's see where it takes me; when/if I receive a response from the
FTC, I'll let you know if the game in this case is being played by the
rules. Right now, I simply don't know--but I sure as hell would like
to know.
z.entropic
> Darrel Goheen
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| subPlanck@excite.com 2005-12-30, 11:48 pm |
| Bruce wrote:
> If you want an external antenna the place to buy is yachtiq.com. Best
price and delivery.
I looked at their selection of GPS antennas, but the only small one I
found was kind of large and had a strange-looking connector (Garmin
GA-26C Magnetic Mount Antenna).
Which model did you have in mind--the above?
z.entropic
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| Jack Erbes 2005-12-30, 11:48 pm |
| brucecg wrote:
<snip>
> If you want an external antenna the place to buy is yachtiq.com. Best
> price and delivery.
There are a bunch of non-OEM antennas for Garmin for sale on eBay. Do a
search for "gps mcx" or "Nuvi antenna" and you'll find them for less
than $20. The connector on that is a MCX.
I've bought a couple them and they worked very well. The one I bought
for use with a Magellan listed the gain as 27dB and the performance
seemed to bear that out.
Yeah, they are all cheap Chinese-made stuff, but where the hell to you
think Garmin gets its stuff made? Chances are the $20 one on eBay was
made by the same people that made the one that Garmin sells for $60.
Jack
--
Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA (jackerbes at adelphia dot net)
(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine dot com)
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| subPlanck@excite.com 2005-12-31, 2:48 am |
| Jack Erbes wrote:
> There are a bunch of non-OEM antennas for Garmin for sale on eBay. Do a
> search for "gps mcx" or "Nuvi antenna" and you'll find them for less
> than $20. The connector on that is a MCX.
Another thank-you today; this is a very helpful group!
z.entropic
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| tvnav.com 2005-12-31, 5:48 pm |
| The GA 26 has a BNC connector which will not work with nuvi unless you
have an adapter. The 27 model is the correct antenna for the nuvi. We also
sell the less expensive Gilsson brand which are very good antennas.
--
Darrel Goheen
GPS@tvnav.com
http://www.tvnav.com
<subPlanck@excite.com> wrote in message
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> Bruce wrote:
> price and delivery.
>
> I looked at their selection of GPS antennas, but the only small one I
> found was kind of large and had a strange-looking connector (Garmin
> GA-26C Magnetic Mount Antenna).
>
> Which model did you have in mind--the above?
>
> z.entropic
>
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| subPlanck@excite.com 2005-12-31, 11:48 pm |
| tvnav.com wrote:
> The GA 26 has a BNC connector which will not work with nuvi unless you
> have an adapter. The 27 model is the correct antenna for the nuvi. We also
> sell the less expensive Gilsson brand which are very good antennas.
Thank you, Darrel. I'll take a look at your Web site when I get my
unit--although I'm not even sure under what circumstances I might need
it with that SiRFIII sensitive chip inside.
Happy New Year 2006!
z.entropic
> --
> Darrel Goheen
> GPS@tvnav.com
> http://www.tvnav.com
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| brucecg 2005-12-31, 11:48 pm |
| See
http://www.yachtiq.com/ advanced_se...>
nna&x=37&y=10
Or put in "garmin antenns" in their search box.Price is $59.61
It's the "Garmin GA 27C Low Profile Remote Automobile Antenna"
I used it this week end and its great.
I need it for Californis where I go on busines from time to time and
they don't allow things stuck to the windshield.
:(
Bruce
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| tvnav.com 2006-01-03, 11:49 pm |
|
<subPlanck@excite.com> wrote in message
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> I sympathize with you and your point of view and have never claimed
> it's the dealers' fault that (almost) all the prices for the nuvi are
> $899.99. You don't have to be a Commerce Dept. gumshoe to smell a rat.
> If I had more time, this is a very good case to follow and check why,
> at the source.
I can tell you why....pressure on Garmin from the chain stores.
>
> Well, you really shouldn't say the above as neither you nor I really
> don't know what's dishonest in this case.
I do.
> If anybody else is annoyed by the unnaturally uniform prices for the
> product under discussion at a very broad spectrum of sellers,
> especially in view of the apparent enforcement of such prices by the
> manufacturer towards the dealers, here are some links to a relevant
> additional reading material or use to file a complaint:
>
> http://www.ftc.gov/ftc/antitrust.htm
> http://www.ftc.gov/be/v030015.htm
> https://rn.ftc.gov/pls/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01
>
> Let's see where it takes me; when/if I receive a response from the
> FTC, I'll let you know if the game in this case is being played by the
> rules. Right now, I simply don't know--but I sure as hell would like
> to know.
I would bet $20.00 that the game is being played by the rules.
--
Darrel Goheen
GPS@tvnav.com
http://www.tvnav.com
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| tvnav.com 2006-01-03, 11:49 pm |
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<subPlanck@excite.com> wrote in message
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> tvnav.com wrote:
>
> Thank you, Darrel. I'll take a look at your Web site when I get my
> unit--although I'm not even sure under what circumstances I might need
> it with that SiRFIII sensitive chip inside.
You should not need an external antenna for the nuvi. In my vehicles I
can lay the nuvi on the floor and I get full sat. strength or one bar less
than.
--
Darrel Goheen
GPS@tvnav.com
http://www.tvnav.com
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| tvnav.com 2006-01-03, 11:49 pm |
|
"Jack Erbes" <jackerbes@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> brucecg wrote:
> <snip>
>
> There are a bunch of non-OEM antennas for Garmin for sale on eBay. Do a
> search for "gps mcx" or "Nuvi antenna" and you'll find them for less than
> $20. The connector on that is a MCX.
>
> I've bought a couple them and they worked very well. The one I bought for
> use with a Magellan listed the gain as 27dB and the performance seemed to
> bear that out.
>
> Yeah, they are all cheap Chinese-made stuff, but where the hell to you
> think Garmin gets its stuff made?
Taiwan. ;)
--
Darrel Goheen
GPS@tvnav.com
http://www.tvnav.com
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| z.entropic 2006-01-03, 11:49 pm |
| > You should not need an external antenna for the nuvi.
Well, thanks for telling me like it is.
Have you had a chance to try to check Garmin's Topo 24K map on the
nuvi? If you had, what do you think--is it usable?
Also, is the lack of the lon/lat coords a big issue? nuvi display the
altitude, thus I can't understand why they would omit those two most
fundamental GPS-derived parameters fom the sat view screen.
Finally, is there a way to use headphones with the nuvi?
z.entropic
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| Phil Wheeler 2006-01-04, 2:48 am |
| z.entropic wrote:
>
>
> Well, thanks for telling me like it is.
>
> Have you had a chance to try to check Garmin's Topo 24K map on the
> nuvi? If you had, what do you think--is it usable?
>
> Also, is the lack of the lon/lat coords a big issue? nuvi display the
> altitude, thus I can't understand why they would omit those two most
> fundamental GPS-derived parameters fom the sat view screen.
>
> Finally, is there a way to use headphones with the nuvi?
>
Well .. I don't often look at lat-long while driving, and definitely not
while listening to MP3s.
The Nuvi does not look at all focused on hiking or boating -- more on
driving, entertainment and information.
Phil
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| tvnav.com 2006-01-04, 2:48 am |
|
"z.entropic" <subPlanck@excite.com> wrote in message
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>
> Well, thanks for telling me like it is.
>
> Have you had a chance to try to check Garmin's Topo 24K map on the
> nuvi?
No, I don't personaly own any 24K TOPO maps.
If you had, what do you think--is it usable?
Yes they will work on the nuvi.
> Also, is the lack of the lon/lat coords a big issue?
Only if you have someone giving you coords only.
>nuvi display the
altitude, thus I can't understand why they would omit those two most
fundamental GPS-derived parameters fom the sat view screen.
?? Altitude is on the sat. status page.
> Finally, is there a way to use headphones with the nuvi?
Yes, there is a 3.5mm headphone jack.
--
Darrel Goheen
GPS@tvnav.com
http://www.tvnav.com
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| z.entropic 2006-01-04, 2:48 am |
| Darrel said:
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> No, I don't personaly own any 24K TOPO maps.
What about Topo 100K maps?
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> Yes they will work on the nuvi.
I know that, because you already told me--and Garmin, too, but they
said that the display will be 'different'. I wonder if it's the
resolution, points, autorouting or something else (functionality, not
resolution) that will be different? I don't want to spend $200 and
regret it...
> Only if you have someone giving you coords only.
I understand that, but I also wonder how much would it cost them to
show two sets of numbers on the Sat Status display? When you speak to
Garmin folks, could you ask them for the rationale behind the decision
not to include the coord display?
> nuvi displays the altitude, thus I can't understand why they would omit those two most
>fundamental GPS-derived parameters fom the sat view screen.
> ?? Altitude is on the sat. status page.
That's what I said; it's the longitude and latitude values that are
missing.
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> Yes, there is a 3.5mm headphone jack.
Thanks, I should have checked the manual first.
BTW, I'm trying to figure out how to get the manual onto the SD
card--and have it available on the nuvi. Right now, the only way I see
is to convert each page into a JPG file and download 60 JPEGs onto a SD
card--how silly! Is there a better way? Maybe somebody will write a
hack to display PDF files on the nuvi, and later on, maybe Excel, like
the myriad hacks for the early Palms? <G>
Finally, why isn't there a digital camera function on the nuvi to
overlay landscape pictures on the maps? <VBG>
z.entropic
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| Phil Wheeler 2006-01-04, 2:48 am |
| z.entropic wrote:
>
>
> Well, thanks for telling me like it is.
>
> Have you had a chance to try to check Garmin's Topo 24K map on the
> nuvi? If you had, what do you think--is it usable?
>
> Also, is the lack of the lon/lat coords a big issue? nuvi display the
> altitude, thus I can't understand why they would omit those two most
> fundamental GPS-derived parameters fom the sat view screen.
>
> Finally, is there a way to use headphones with the nuvi?
>
This link, a nuvi blog, might interest you:
http://www.nuvi.blogs.com/
Phil
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| kevin weaver 2006-03-04, 5:48 am |
| "tvnav.com" <GPS@tvnav.com> wrote in message
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>
> <subPlanck@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:1135915936.983681.123690@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> I am VERY sour. Garmin watches us like a hawk with their policies but
> they simply cannot control everyone. Why would we not be sour about it
> when it's taking food off of our table? We bust our butts to offer correct
> information for the products we sell, we are always completely honest with
> our customers and we offer the lowest prices possible. Try asking **arco
> or any of the large chains a tech question about a Garmin unit and see
> what happens. What is our reward when we are forced to follow Garmin's
> minimum selling price policy when other sellers aren't? Absolutely a big
> ZERO and that doesn't taste good. We cannot expect customers to pay
> $150.00+ more to buy from us just because we are nice, honest and
> knowledgeable folks. I know I wouldn't.
>
>
> First of all I did not mention any particular company. When a company
> does not follow policy and are dis-honest they can be defined by me as fly
> by night. Perhaps my definition is wrong. Call them what you want. That's
> the nicest, printable thing I could come up with at the time.
>
>
> My point of view on this subject is in line with Garmin policy. Anyone
> that knows our company knows that normally we have VERY competitive prices
> on Garmin products. When we no longer do that it should be a very good
> indication of something other than we just want to make a larger profit.
>
> --
>
>
> Darrel Goheen
> GPS@tvnav.com
> http://www.tvnav.com
>
>
>
>
>
Funny you say that. I bought a Garmin 2610 from you and had a problem with
it the 1st week. I called and was told if it was opened I had to go through
Garmin.
Never again, Buy it through Ebay and save 200-400 off any price. There going
for approx. 500.00 on there right now.
I learned the hard way on this. What does a store offer you other then a
higher price ? The option for the customer to pay more.
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| Phil Wheeler 2006-03-04, 5:48 pm |
| kevin weaver wrote:
> "tvnav.com" <GPS@tvnav.com> wrote in message
>
> Funny you say that. I bought a Garmin 2610 from you and had a problem with
> it the 1st week. I called and was told if it was opened I had to go through
> Garmin.
>
> Never again, Buy it through Ebay and save 200-400 off any price. There going
> for approx. 500.00 on there right now.
> I learned the hard way on this. What does a store offer you other then a
> higher price ? The option for the customer to pay more.
>
>
Not my experience with TVNAV: And I've bought at least 7 Garmin products
from Darrel.
Either there is something you are not divulging .. or you are a troll.
Of course, both could be true.
Phil
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| kevin weaver 2006-03-04, 11:48 pm |
| "Phil Wheeler" <w6tuh-ng7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> kevin weaver wrote:
>
> Not my experience with TVNAV: And I've bought at least 7 Garmin products
> from Darrel.
>
> Either there is something you are not divulging .. or you are a troll.
>
> Of course, both could be true.
>
> Phil
Nope, not a troll. Just one pissed of ex customer. It happen just like I
said. Because it was open I had to deal with garmin. The Item was fixed by
garmin. But I had to send it in 1st. I figured that it being new and it had
to be open to set it up, The problem then they claim it's open and let
garmin deal with it.
Open and shut case. I just make it a point to let other people know how I
was treated. If that makes me a troll then fine.
Do you always call people names when they have a problem and you don't ?
Place a order on-line to save a few bucks and pray nothing is wrong. If it
is, then the money saved is about even as the lost time and shipping make up
for any money saved.
I could have went to any local store to buy the same Item and spent a little
more. And if something went wrong I could have taken it back and walked out
with a new unit. When I was asked by garmin how long I had it, I told him 3
days. I got it on a Friday, I called on Monday. The garmin rep said that
they were sorry I had this problem and would up the shipping for free.
Garmin came through. Cant say that for the other.
Case closed.
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| emanon 2006-03-04, 11:48 pm |
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"kevin weaver" < kevinweaver1@charter
.net> wrote in message
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> "tvnav.com" <GPS@tvnav.com> wrote in message
> news:Y5adncwgKYseLSj
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>
> Funny you say that. I bought a Garmin 2610 from you and had a problem with
> it the 1st week. I called and was told if it was opened I had to go
through
> Garmin.
>
> Never again, Buy it through Ebay and save 200-400 off any price. There
going
> for approx. 500.00 on there right now.
> I learned the hard way on this. What does a store offer you other then a
> higher price ? The option for the customer to pay more.
>
>
Speaking to the last point here only:
Sometimes people are willing to pay more, within reason, and buy from a
store as opposed to e-bay or a No Name source is that at a reputable store
(key word is reputable) you have knowledgeable person to deal with. Now
before I collect a lot of flames on this, yes, I do know of reputable stores
that do sometimes save me money over other sources, but it is the *service*
I'm willing to pay a little more for.
I know a lot of people are not happy with REI pricing. I happen to be very
please with the people I've dealt with and the store's policy of keep it's
members happy with their purchases. The people I've talked to all actually
have practical experience with whatever you're buying from them. As a
result, I do not mind the extra I pay them and opposed to the pricing I can
find a some of my local Big Box outdoor stores where they have the best help
minimum wage can buy. Example: "Uhh, yeah, the difference is this one is
$350 and that one is $330. No I don't know why the other one is $30 more."
(Actual conversation with a sales person at a local discount sporting goods
store.)
I for one am willing to pay a little extra to build a relationship with a
store if they honor that premium by providing better customer service. When
I've done so, it has proven worthwhile by making my outdoor experiences more
trouble free and initially satisfying.
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| Phil Wheeler 2006-03-04, 11:48 pm |
| kevin weaver wrote:
> "Phil Wheeler" <w6tuh-ng7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:WpnOf.2901$992.708@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> Nope, not a troll. Just one pissed of ex customer. ...
> Open and shut case. I just make it a point to let other people know how I
> was treated. If that makes me a troll then fine.
....
>
> Do you always call people names when they have a problem and you don't ?
....
> Case closed.
>
>
At least twice it is closed. Troll or not able to understand the deal:
I cannot say.
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| tvnav.com 2006-03-11, 2:48 am |
|
"kevin weaver" < kevinweaver1@charter
.net> wrote in message
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> "Phil Wheeler" <w6tuh-ng7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:WpnOf.2901$992.708@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>
>
>
> Nope, not a troll. Just one pissed of ex customer. It happen just like I
> said. Because it was open I had to deal with garmin. The Item was fixed by
> garmin. But I had to send it in 1st. I figured that it being new and it
> had to be open to set it up, The problem then they claim it's open and let
> garmin deal with it.
The ONLY reason we told you that is because that was what Garmin was
instructing us to do when the 2610 was first released. This hasn't been the
case for quite some time now. Garmin will allow us to replace defectives
regardless of the software now. Once again we have NO problem replacing
defective out of the box units.
Case closed...as you would say.
BTW, in regards to the subject our price is $799.99 on the nuvi and with
that there is $139.99 that can be used towards shipping and other products
that do not have a MRP. We also offer discounted accessories for other MRP
products.
--
Darrel Goheen
GPS@tvnav.com
http://www.tvnav.com
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| tvnav.com 2006-03-11, 2:48 am |
|
"Phil Wheeler" <w6tuh-ng7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> kevin weaver wrote:
>
> Not my experience with TVNAV: And I've bought at least 7 Garmin products
> from Darrel.
>
> Either there is something you are not divulging .. or you are a troll.
>
> Of course, both could be true.
Could be since we don't have a Kevin Weaver in our data base and he
would be there if he bought a 2610 from us.
--
Darrel Goheen
GPS@tvnav.com
http://www.tvnav.com
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| Phil Wheeler 2006-03-11, 2:48 am |
| tvnav.com wrote:
> "Phil Wheeler" <w6tuh-ng7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:WpnOf.2901$992.708@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>
>
>
> Could be since we don't have a Kevin Weaver in our data base and he
> would be there if he bought a 2610 from us.
Must be a troll in that case, Darrel.
Phil
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| kevin weaver 2006-03-11, 2:48 am |
| "tvnav.com" <GPS@tvnav.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Phil Wheeler" <w6tuh-ng7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:WpnOf.2901$992.708@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>
> Could be since we don't have a Kevin Weaver in our data base and he
> would be there if he bought a 2610 from us.
> --
>
>
> Darrel Goheen
> GPS@tvnav.com
> http://www.tvnav.com
>
>
>
>
>
Yeah, I bought two of them. One about a yr and a half ago. And the other
about 6 mo's ago. Say what you want. Like I said, Garmin took care of the
problem. But did not want to go that route as I had to wait for the
shipping. Paid extra to Garmin for next day shipping.
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| kevin weaver 2006-03-11, 2:48 am |
| "tvnav.com" <GPS@tvnav.com> wrote in message
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>
> "kevin weaver" < kevinweaver1@charter
.net> wrote in message
> news:ZooOf.704$M56.434@fe06.lga...
>
> The ONLY reason we told you that is because that was what Garmin was
> instructing us to do when the 2610 was first released. This hasn't been
> the case for quite some time now. Garmin will allow us to replace
> defectives regardless of the software now. Once again we have NO problem
> replacing defective out of the box units.
>
> Case closed...as you would say.
>
> BTW, in regards to the subject our price is $799.99 on the nuvi and
> with that there is $139.99 that can be used towards shipping and other
> products that do not have a MRP. We also offer discounted accessories for
> other MRP products.
>
> --
>
>
> Darrel Goheen
> GPS@tvnav.com
> http://www.tvnav.com
>
>
>
>
>
Case closed as you would say. Like I said, never again.
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| kevin weaver 2006-03-11, 2:48 am |
| "Phil Wheeler" <w6tuh-ng7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> tvnav.com wrote:
>
> Must be a troll in that case, Darrel.
>
> Phil
Keep sucking, You might get a discount on your next GPS. :)
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| tvnav.com 2006-03-11, 5:48 pm |
|
"kevin weaver" < kevinweaver1@charter
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> "Phil Wheeler" <w6tuh-ng7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:v0tQf.13845$e1.1367@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>
> Keep sucking, You might get a discount on your next GPS. :)
As he has in all his previous purchases. ;) Why do you think he posts
all these messages in support of TVNAV??
--
Darrel Goheen
GPS@tvnav.com
http://www.tvnav.com
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| Phil Wheeler 2006-03-11, 5:48 pm |
| kevin weaver wrote:
>
>
>
> Keep sucking, You might get a discount on your next GPS. :)
>
>
Yup .. a troll, given to rude and unfounded comments without the data to
back them up. Time to edit my filters, lad, and put you in my killfile.
Phil
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| tvnav.com 2006-03-11, 5:48 pm |
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"kevin weaver" < kevinweaver1@charter
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> "tvnav.com" <GPS@tvnav.com> wrote in message
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>
> Yeah, I bought two of them. One about a yr and a half ago. And the other
> about 6 mo's ago.
Our darn computers must have dumped you. ;) What is your real name then
or did you order them under a company name? The last record of a Weaver that
bought a 2610 from us was 11/14/03. Why would you buy one from us 6 months
ago if you weren't happy with our service on the first one? I know for sure
that 6 months ago we would have exchanged an out of box defective unit for
you or anyone else as Garmin hasn't requested defectives be done through
them for probably close to 2 years that I can remember of. Once again the
ONLY times that we don't or can't replace out of box defectives is if Garmin
requests it or we don't have the product in stock to do the exchange.
--
Darrel Goheen
GPS@tvnav.com
http://www.tvnav.com
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| kevin weaver 2006-03-11, 5:48 pm |
| "tvnav.com" <GPS@tvnav.com> wrote in message
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>
> "kevin weaver" < kevinweaver1@charter
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> news:2ntQf.787$KR5.510@fe02.lga...
>
> As he has in all his previous purchases. ;) Why do you think he posts
> all these messages in support of TVNAV??
> --
>
>
> Darrel Goheen
> GPS@tvnav.com
> http://www.tvnav.com
>
>
>
>
>
: )
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| kevin weaver 2006-03-11, 5:48 pm |
| "Phil Wheeler" <w6tuh-ng7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> kevin weaver wrote:
>
> Yup .. a troll, given to rude and unfounded comments without the data to
> back them up. Time to edit my filters, lad, and put you in my killfile.
>
> Phil
Truth hurts ?
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| kevin weaver 2006-03-11, 5:48 pm |
| "tvnav.com" <GPS@tvnav.com> wrote in message
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>
> "kevin weaver" < kevinweaver1@charter
.net> wrote in message
> news:LktQf.785$KR5.539@fe02.lga...
>
> Our darn computers must have dumped you. ;) What is your real name then
> or did you order them under a company name? The last record of a Weaver
> that bought a 2610 from us was 11/14/03. Why would you buy one from us 6
> months ago if you weren't happy with our service on the first one? I know
> for sure that 6 months ago we would have exchanged an out of box defective
> unit for you or anyone else as Garmin hasn't requested defectives be done
> through them for probably close to 2 years that I can remember of. Once
> again the ONLY times that we don't or can't replace out of box defectives
> is if Garmin requests it or we don't have the product in stock to do the
> exchange.
> --
>
>
> Darrel Goheen
> GPS@tvnav.com
> http://www.tvnav.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
The 1st one I bought worked great, Never no problems. A friend needed
one for a trip so I sold him mine. That's why I returned and bought unit 2.
It was time for another long trip for myself. And like I said. No problems
with your company or the 1st one.
Order was placed. Unit came. defect found. email sent, email returned,
Sorry you must have garmin take care of it as it's open. yada,yada. Called
garmin, and they took care of it.
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