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Garmin Nuvi 350 and 60CSx
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| nathantw 2006-04-04, 11:48 pm |
| l had the opportunity to try the Nuvi 350 and the 60CSx side by side.
What I found was pretty interesting. You know how we complained about
the amount of time the gps units gave before an exit or turn? Well, the
Nuvi 350 and 60CSx beeped or gave the turn instruction in unison. I'm
talking at the exact same time.
The routing is an entirely different animal though. On my way to my
destination I wanted to drive from highway 101 south to 380 to 280
south. The 60CSx recalculated my route as I drove onto the 380 on-ramp.
It said I should take the first exit, go onto the street, get back onto
380 south then go back to 101 south. I zoomed by that exit. It then
recalculated and said I should take the next exit to 280 NORTH, take
the exit, go onto the street, get back onto 380 and go to 101 South. I
said "screw that" and went to 280 South. It recalculated and said I
should take the next exit, go onto the street, take 280 North, then
380E, then 101 South. I passed that one and it said I should take 92E
and go to 101 South. When I finally went past that exit I went the
route I was intentionally taking. That was the dumbest thing I've seen.
Not even my GPS V did that.
The Nuvi, on the other hand, recalculated when I was on the on-ramp to
380W then it said "stay left on 280 South." That was it. No
recalculation at all. It went directly to the route I wanted.
When I was close to my destination I saw the freeway was jammed pack so
I took a detour and went a different direction. However, this time both
units (in unison) chose the same exits and the same route. I got used
to the spoken directions on the Nuvi. In fact, I grew to rely on the
way it spoke the name of the street I was to turn on. I also found that
I looked at the GPS less since it spoke the direction I was suppose to
go.
The Nuvi, however, wasn't all perfect. I didn't like the fact that I
couldn't modify the driving information fields. I was forced to accept
the "average time moving" and the "average stop time." This is when I
really appreciated being able to modify the screens on the 60CSx.
I went on my first 2 geocaches on with my 60CSx. It indicated I had a
11 foot accuracy even though I had WAAS turned on. I got close to the
location and turned on the electronic compass. What I couldn't believe
was that the unit literally pointed to the tree that the geocache was
in. I was really, really impressed. The other geocache, though, I had
the total opposite experience. I was expecting the exact same accuracy
and ease of finding the cache. I ended up with dog poop stuck on the
bottom of my shoes and giving up altogether, leaving it for another
day.
So both units definitely have their strengths. I didn't try any of the
special features of the Nuvi (mp3 player, picture viewer, etc.), but I
actually like the spoken text. The 60CSx is a fantastic geocaching
unit. The routing for driving is terrible though. It favors interstate
highways over ones that are just freeways. I highly recommend the Nuvi
350 (360) for driving. I highly recommend the 60CSx for hiking and
geocaching, but definitely not as a dedicated driving unit. Get another
gps if that's your primary purpose.
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| Phil Wheeler 2006-04-04, 11:48 pm |
| nathantw wrote:
> l had the opportunity to try the Nuvi 350 and the 60CSx side by side.
> What I found was pretty interesting. You know how we complained about
> the amount of time the gps units gave before an exit or turn? Well, the
> Nuvi 350 and 60CSx beeped or gave the turn instruction in unison. I'm
> talking at the exact same time.
>
> The routing is an entirely different animal though.
Which maps were loaded in each unit? Does the Nuvi come with
pre-installed maps, or did you load them from a disk?
Phil
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| nathantw 2006-04-04, 11:48 pm |
| Nuvi is preloaded and the 60CSx is with City Select 7.0.
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| Phil Wheeler 2006-04-04, 11:48 pm |
| nathantw wrote:
> Nuvi is preloaded and the 60CSx is with City Select 7.0.
>
But what is in the Nuvi? City Nav 7.0?
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| nathantw 2006-04-04, 11:48 pm |
| I guess. You can look it up online if you really need to know. I already
gave the Nuvi away.
"Phil Wheeler" <w6tuh-ng7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ARDYf.26144$w86.12986@tornado.socal.rr.com...
> nathantw wrote:
>
> But what is in the Nuvi? City Nav 7.0?
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| nathantw 2006-04-04, 11:48 pm |
| Oh, I forgot to add one thing I really, really disliked about what Garmin
did with the Nuvi 350 was that they didn't include a printed instruction
manual. Well, I guess they didn't think that perhaps the size of the unit
might be the selling point so they ASSUMED that everyone will use it with a
computer so they included the manual.pdf on the Nuvi unit itself. Since I
was giving it to someone who could care less about computers, not including
a printed manual was cheap and stupid on Garmin's part, to put it mildly. I
had to print the manual for him at cost that was quite high. You'd think for
a $800 unit they could take a smaller amount of profit and make their users
happy by including a printed manual.
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| Phil Wheeler 2006-04-04, 11:48 pm |
| nathantw wrote:
> Oh, I forgot to add one thing I really, really disliked about what Garmin
> did with the Nuvi 350 was that they didn't include a printed instruction
> manual. Well, I guess they didn't think that perhaps the size of the unit
> might be the selling point so they ASSUMED that everyone will use it with a
> computer so they included the manual.pdf on the Nuvi unit itself. Since I
> was giving it to someone who could care less about computers, not including
> a printed manual was cheap and stupid on Garmin's part, to put it mildly. I
> had to print the manual for him at cost that was quite high. You'd think for
> a $800 unit they could take a smaller amount of profit and make their users
> happy by including a printed manual.
>
>
You mean the manual was IN the unit .. vs. on a CD-ROM? That's a new
money-saving ploy to me!
But I don't know that unit: Does it have the option of reading the
manual on the screen somehow?
Phil
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| Phil Wheeler 2006-04-04, 11:48 pm |
| nathantw wrote:
> I guess. You can look it up online if you really need to know. I already
> gave the Nuvi away.
>
> "Phil Wheeler" <w6tuh-ng7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:ARDYf.26144$w86.12986@tornado.socal.rr.com...
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>
>
>
They say City Nav NT and that it is the same as City Nav, just
compressed differently. I assume it would be v. 7.
Hard to understand why the routing of two contemporary units from the
same vendor would be that different. I thought it might be the maps.
Phil
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| In article <1144192133.957260.316050@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
nathantw <nathantwong@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The other geocache, though, I had
> the total opposite experience. I was expecting the exact same accuracy
> and ease of finding the cache. I ended up with dog poop stuck on the
> bottom of my shoes and giving up altogether, leaving it for another
> day.
Ever considered the supplied coordinate data for the second geocache
was bad/poor accuracy? Maybe it's not a problem on your end.
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| In article <fwEYf.26151$w86.10165@tornado.socal.rr.com>, Phil Wheeler
<w6tuh-ng7@yahoo.com> wrote:
> They say City Nav NT and that it is the same as City Nav, just
> compressed differently. I assume it would be v. 7.
Yes, that's CN v7 NA with a different compression scheme in the Nuvi.
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| In article <zaEYf.62073$H71.12204@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>, nathantw
<me@nospamsbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Oh, I forgot to add one thing I really, really disliked about what Garmin
> did with the Nuvi 350 was that they didn't include a printed instruction
> manual. Well, I guess they didn't think that perhaps the size of the unit
> might be the selling point so they ASSUMED that everyone will use it with a
> computer so they included the manual.pdf on the Nuvi unit itself. Since I
> was giving it to someone who could care less about computers, not including
> a printed manual was cheap and stupid on Garmin's part, to put it mildly. I
> had to print the manual for him at cost that was quite high. You'd think for
> a $800 unit they could take a smaller amount of profit and make their users
> happy by including a printed manual.
That's life these days with all things electronic. Although there IS a
basic get started pamphlet included in the kit. That's adequate for 95%
of the users along with lots of saved paper.
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| In article <3uEYf.26150$w86.7765@tornado.socal.rr.com>, Phil Wheeler
<w6tuh-ng7@yahoo.com> wrote:
> You mean the manual was IN the unit .. vs. on a CD-ROM? That's a new
> money-saving ploy to me!
>
> But I don't know that unit: Does it have the option of reading the
> manual on the screen somehow?
Not an option. Yes, there's a PDF file in the unit. You can access it
when you connect it to the USB port, just like a USB drive. Perfectly
acceptable to me. And a CD avoided for the environment.
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| nathantw 2006-04-05, 2:48 am |
| > Ever considered the supplied coordinate data for the second geocache
> was bad/poor accuracy? Maybe it's not a problem on your end.
That's a possibility. I actually stood on the area where the distance was 0
but the map on the gps showed 11 feet all around. So we tried looking
everywhere around that 11 foot space and didn't find it. I had wished I had
that "hint" that they had on that geocache page.
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| Roy Lewallen 2006-04-05, 2:48 am |
| nathantw wrote:
>
> That's a possibility. I actually stood on the area where the distance was 0
> but the map on the gps showed 11 feet all around. So we tried looking
> everywhere around that 11 foot space and didn't find it. I had wished I had
> that "hint" that they had on that geocache page.
My son and I briefly tried geocaching but failed to locate the three
local ones we searched for, so gave it up as a fool's errand. I'm fairly
certain that they simply weren't there -- we searched very carefully in
a pretty large area for each one, and in a couple of cases the hints
seemed pretty obvious. Does anyone know what fraction of geocaches, at
least urban or suburban ones, actually exist?
One other question -- how do you know the accuracy of the cacher's GPS?
It sounds like you've assumed that the cache is precisely where it's
claimed to be and that only your GPS could be in error.
Roy Lewallen
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| kevin weaver 2006-04-05, 5:48 am |
| "nathantw" <me@nospamsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:zaEYf.62073$H71.12204@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
> Oh, I forgot to add one thing I really, really disliked about what Garmin
> did with the Nuvi 350 was that they didn't include a printed instruction
> manual. Well, I guess they didn't think that perhaps the size of the unit
> might be the selling point so they ASSUMED that everyone will use it with
> a computer so they included the manual.pdf on the Nuvi unit itself. Since
> I was giving it to someone who could care less about computers, not
> including a printed manual was cheap and stupid on Garmin's part, to put
> it mildly. I had to print the manual for him at cost that was quite high.
> You'd think for a $800 unit they could take a smaller amount of profit and
> make their users happy by including a printed manual.
>
>
Don't forget the backup software. There is none. It would have to be sent
back to garmin if someone were to delete any Important files. Another cheap
XXX company. There going to spend more on postage then they would to just
have thrown in the DVD in the box.
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| In article < 1236j89fe669333@corp
.supernews.com>, Roy Lewallen
<w7el@eznec.com> wrote:
> My son and I briefly tried geocaching but failed to locate the three
> local ones we searched for, so gave it up as a fool's errand. I'm fairly
> certain that they simply weren't there -- we searched very carefully in
> a pretty large area for each one, and in a couple of cases the hints
> seemed pretty obvious. Does anyone know what fraction of geocaches, at
> least urban or suburban ones, actually exist?
>
> One other question -- how do you know the accuracy of the cacher's GPS?
> It sounds like you've assumed that the cache is precisely where it's
> claimed to be and that only your GPS could be in error.
Don't know the numbers. But I guess that's why people look at the
feedback on each of the cache. If others are not finding it or one that
is old, then it's probably got cleaned up by the street cleaners.
--
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| Phil Wheeler 2006-04-05, 5:48 pm |
| Roy Lewallen wrote:
> nathantw wrote:
>
>
>
> My son and I briefly tried geocaching but failed to locate the three
> local ones we searched for, so gave it up as a fool's errand. I'm fairly
> certain that they simply weren't there -- we searched very carefully in
> a pretty large area for each one, and in a couple of cases the hints
> seemed pretty obvious. Does anyone know what fraction of geocaches, at
> least urban or suburban ones, actually exist?
>
> One other question -- how do you know the accuracy of the cacher's GPS?
> It sounds like you've assumed that the cache is precisely where it's
> claimed to be and that only your GPS could be in error.
>
I've had pretty good luck finding GCs, Roy. Those at
http://www.geocaching.com/
are usually there unless indicated otherwise. That site logs recent
finds, so if someone else found it 2-3 days before, it is likely to be
there. One I did fail to find recently was checked by the owner a few
days later and found not to be there .. and has be crossed out
(indicating it is no longer active).
I always print the page on the web so I can decode the hint if need be;
and often their are other hints in the description (one multi-stage one
had "watch out for snakes" in the writeup and the clue to one waypoint
was attached to a sign saying that).
The most interesting/educational ones are multi stage .. the published
location takes you to a clue which lets you find the next location and
so on. I've done a couple of those, and both were challenging from a
GPS point of view (used features I was rusty on).
But in the end, it's always possible to look and not find. That part's
always somewhat a matter of luck (or good eyesight).
Re accuracy: Yes, I have wondered about that. But on the ones I've
found I've pretty much ended up within 15-20 ft of the cache (once two
feet away!).
Phil
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| Dan Anderson 2006-04-05, 5:48 pm |
| Artoi wrote:
> In article < 1236j89fe669333@corp
.supernews.com>, Roy Lewallen
> <w7el@eznec.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Don't know the numbers. But I guess that's why people look at the
> feedback on each of the cache. If others are not finding it or one that
> is old, then it's probably got cleaned up by the street cleaners.
>
> --
Yes, it's a good idea to look at the logs if you want to
know ahead of time the chances of the cache being there.
Many people will also note the coordinates they found it
at if those coordinates are far from the posted ones.
I have about 230 official finds and remember 2 caches
that were not there. They had been stolen. There were
a few others that were cannibalized/destroyed by
people in some cases and by wild animals in other cases.
I found one that was about 130 feet from the posted
coordinates. Caches sometimes migrate from one place to
another. I had to search for one of my own caches, which
is camouflaged to the environment that was hidden about
16 ft. away from where I placed it.
Be sure to check the difficulty rating of the cache. If
it has a rating of 1 and in a high traffic area and you
can't find it, maybe it's gone. If it has a rating of
about 3 or higher and you don't have experience, you
may have looked right at it and not noticed.
Would you have found a fake bolt on the side of some
utility container, the top of a chain link fence post
that comes off, a fake sprinkler head, a fake pinecone
in a tree?
--
Dan
(email change 2001 to 2004)
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| Phil Wheeler 2006-04-05, 5:48 pm |
| Dan Anderson wrote:
> Artoi wrote:
>
>
>
> Yes, it's a good idea to look at the logs if you want to
> know ahead of time the chances of the cache being there.
> Many people will also note the coordinates they found it
> at if those coordinates are far from the posted ones.
>
> I have about 230 official finds
............
> Would you have found a fake bolt on the side of some
> utility container, the top of a chain link fence post
> that comes off, a fake sprinkler head, a fake pinecone
> in a tree?
>
Whew .. I've not found any *that* nasty yet, Dan. But then my finds are
below 20 at this point.
Phil
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| nathantw 2006-04-05, 5:48 pm |
| The differences between the two units in terms of routing is probably
why Garmin is consolidating the maps and eliminating City Select (other
than the obvious saving money from just supporting one product instead
of two).
I know that I mention the GPS V a lot and saying "it never did that"
but I guess I should also point out that most of the time it was
recalculating as I flew by those exits that the 60CSx continues to ask
me to take. So there's a possibility that the GPS V would have
suggested the same routes as the 60CSx if it calculated faster,
especially since they're both using the same mapping software.
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| Phil Wheeler 2006-04-05, 5:48 pm |
| nathantw wrote:
> The differences between the two units in terms of routing is probably
> why Garmin is consolidating the maps and eliminating City Select (other
> than the obvious saving money from just supporting one product instead
> of two).
>
May be. I have an older version of City Select (5?) which may have come
with my 60C. I've never used it for routing, though (60C was full of
Topo maps).. gave it to the guy who bought my 60C. Using City Nav 7 in
my 60Cx and what little routing I've done with it looks very normal.
Phil
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| Roy Lewallen 2006-04-05, 5:48 pm |
| Thanks to all for the comments. Since the caches must have been present
as stated (at geocaching.com, where we got the info), and all were
beginner level, the problem is obviously that finding them is simply a
skill we lack.
Roy Lewallen
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| Arthur Hass 2006-04-05, 11:48 pm |
| nathantw wrote:
>
> The routing is an entirely different animal though. On my way to my
> destination I wanted to drive from highway 101 south to 380 to 280
> south. The 60CSx recalculated my route as I drove onto the 380 on-ramp.
> It said I should take the first exit, go onto the street, get back onto
> 380 south then go back to 101 south. I zoomed by that exit. It then
> recalculated and said I should take the next exit to 280 NORTH, take
> the exit, go onto the street, get back onto 380 and go to 101 South. I
> said "screw that" and went to 280 South. It recalculated and said I
> should take the next exit, go onto the street, take 280 North, then
> 380E, then 101 South. I passed that one and it said I should take 92E
> and go to 101 South. When I finally went past that exit I went the
> route I was intentionally taking. That was the dumbest thing I've seen.
> Not even my GPS V did that.
When I first started using my map76CS, I was having similar problems.
Turns out, I had the auto-routing set for bicycle ;-)
Later, after loading some old routes I had made with my GPS III+ (point
to point to point routes), the auto-routing would create routes having
me get off at one Interstate exit, turn around and get back on in the
opposite direction, then repeat that exercise at the next exit! Of
course, this made no sense what-so-ever. I eventually realized that the
cause was most likely due to the old route points being included. They
seemed to cause the auto-routing to go too far past an exit, or require
a turn just before an exit. If I simply put in the start and end
points, the auto-routing worked fine.
So, be certain that your routing setup is for auto/motorcycle and that
it's not set to avoid toll roads. And, don't try to load old
point-to-point routes into an auto-routing GPS.
Arthur Hass
Reston, VA
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| Phil Wheeler 2006-04-05, 11:48 pm |
| Roy Lewallen wrote:
> Thanks to all for the comments. Since the caches must have been present
> as stated (at geocaching.com, where we got the info), and all were
> beginner level, the problem is obviously that finding them is simply a
> skill we lack.
>
Lots of times it's just persistance and luck, Roy.
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| Phil Wheeler 2006-04-05, 11:48 pm |
| Arthur Hass wrote:
> nathantw wrote:
>
>
>
> When I first started using my map76CS, I was having similar problems.
> Turns out, I had the auto-routing set for bicycle ;-)
Love it!
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| nathantw 2006-04-05, 11:48 pm |
| My unit is definitely set for car. I don't have pre-set routes created,
just waypoints.
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| Roy Lewallen 2006-04-06, 2:48 am |
| Phil Wheeler wrote:
> Roy Lewallen wrote:
>
> Lots of times it's just persistance and luck, Roy.
Guess so. We just decided that stomping around a small area for the
better part of an hour each time without finding a cache wasn't fun.
Maybe if we'd spent a couple of hours we would have found one, but I
really doubt it -- we thought we searched pretty thoroughly, so we'd
probably just keep on overlooking it. I'd assumed that some vandal had
swiped some of the local caches, but by the responses here I see that
virtually never happens.
Out of curiosity, I just checked and found that none of the caches we
tried to find are listed any longer. How does a listing get removed? Is
it because some other folks weren't persistent or lucky enough to find
them either?
Roy Lewallen
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| Phil Wheeler 2006-04-06, 2:48 am |
| Roy Lewallen wrote:
> Phil Wheeler wrote:
>
>
>
> Guess so. We just decided that stomping around a small area for the
> better part of an hour each time without finding a cache wasn't fun.
> Maybe if we'd spent a couple of hours we would have found one, but I
> really doubt it -- we thought we searched pretty thoroughly, so we'd
> probably just keep on overlooking it. I'd assumed that some vandal had
> swiped some of the local caches, but by the responses here I see that
> virtually never happens.
>
> Out of curiosity, I just checked and found that none of the caches we
> tried to find are listed any longer. How does a listing get removed? Is
> it because some other folks weren't persistent or lucky enough to find
> them either?
>
Usually because seekers have not found, Roy .. and have reported it to
the cache owner.
Phil
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| In article < 2dedncth3u5ReK7ZnZ2d
nUVZ_tqdnZ2d@pghconn
ect.com>, Dan
Anderson < danderson2001@hotmai
l.com> wrote:
> Would you have found a fake bolt on the side of some
> utility container, the top of a chain link fence post
> that comes off, a fake sprinkler head, a fake pinecone
> in a tree?
I was just thinking of getting into this game/sport. But after your
description, I am having second thoughts... :P
--
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|
| In article < 12392cfhs526tbb@corp
.supernews.com>, Roy Lewallen
<w7el@eznec.com> wrote:
> I'd assumed that some vandal had
> swiped some of the local caches, but by the responses here I see that
> virtually never happens.
I guess that annual community clean-up day is bad for geocachers.... ;)
--
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| In article <1144268145.144957.114090@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
nathantw <nathantwong@yahoo.com> wrote:
> If you're interested in the Nuvi 350 Costco will have a good deal
> considering you can't get it any cheaper than $799 anyway.
>
> http://www.costco.com/Browse/Produc...whse=&topnav=&b
> rowse=&s=1
Not true. I got my Nuvi 350 on eBay for $699. And in a matter of a few
weeks, the price has gone down ever further.
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| nathantw 2006-04-06, 5:48 pm |
| Since you bought it on ebay can you return it or get it repaired if
something should go wrong? A lot of vendors have a stipulation that if you
bought it on ebay that they won't help. I had that happen with a graphics
card that went out. With Costco you'll get a $150 gift certificate making
the total price $650. If Garmin doesn't fix the unit, just bring it back to
Costco and buy another one. In other words you have recourse if something
should happen.
"Artoi" <Artoi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:060420061924131
192%Artoi@hotmail.com...
> In article <1144268145.144957.114090@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
> nathantw <nathantwong@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Not true. I got my Nuvi 350 on eBay for $699. And in a matter of a few
> weeks, the price has gone down ever further.
>
> --
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| Dan Anderson 2006-04-06, 5:48 pm |
| Artoi wrote:
> In article < 2dedncth3u5ReK7ZnZ2d
nUVZ_tqdnZ2d@pghconn
ect.com>, Dan
> Anderson < danderson2001@hotmai
l.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I was just thinking of getting into this game/sport. But after your
> description, I am having second thoughts... :P
>
> --
Don't worry, most are not that difficult. They're an
ammo can or plastic container stuck in bushes, under
junipers, or under a pile of sticks or rocks, etc.
Some are in plain sight.
--
Dan
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| Phil Wheeler 2006-04-06, 5:48 pm |
| Artoi wrote:
> In article < 2dedncth3u5ReK7ZnZ2d
nUVZ_tqdnZ2d@pghconn
ect.com>, Dan
> Anderson < danderson2001@hotmai
l.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I was just thinking of getting into this game/sport. But after your
> description, I am having second thoughts... :P
>
>
Those examples are pretty extreme: Fake pine cone? Yuck!
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| Artoi 2006-04-06, 11:48 pm |
| In article <_5aZf.67026$dW3.39312@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, nathantw
< nathantw1@removethis
-sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Since you bought it on ebay can you return it or get it repaired if
> something should go wrong? A lot of vendors have a stipulation that if you
> bought it on ebay that they won't help. I had that happen with a graphics
> card that went out. With Costco you'll get a $150 gift certificate making
> the total price $650. If Garmin doesn't fix the unit, just bring it back to
> Costco and buy another one. In other words you have recourse if something
> should happen.
Garmin accepted the registration of the unit and will honour the
warranty. But it is a good point, you will have to verify this with the
seller or Garmin. And yes, my seller would accept return/exchange
should there be problems.
In any case, the fact of the mattter is that Nuvi 350 can be had for
significantly less than $799.
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| B A R R Y 2006-04-11, 5:48 pm |
| nathantw wrote:
> The 60CSx is a fantastic geocaching
> unit. The routing for driving is terrible though. It favors interstate
> highways over ones that are just freeways.
Do you know there are user selectable routing options?
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| nathantw 2006-04-11, 5:48 pm |
| Yes. For some reason it didn't work very well for my purposes. I don't
like messing with my settings and having to set the auto-rerouting on
and off is a pain.
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| Phil Wheeler 2006-04-11, 5:48 pm |
| nathantw wrote:
> Yes. For some reason it didn't work very well for my purposes. I don't
> like messing with my settings and having to set the auto-rerouting on
> and off is a pain.
>
Routing seems to work fine for me: Pretty much like my SP-III which also
has City Nav NA 7 loaded .. but much faster processing of the route.
Main difference is I have to select "On-Road" (since I mainly use it off
road for hiking).
Phil
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| nathantw 2006-04-12, 5:48 pm |
| I'm trying to figure out if it's the software (CS 7.0) or the hardware
recalcs that's causing the problem. It does get really annoying having
the unit beep continuously since I wasn't following it's "ideal" route.
I'm not so worried about the routes around areas I'm familiar with but
I am worried about the fact that it might send me on a wild goose chase
around areas I have no clue as to where I'm going. I mean, going from
one freeway to the streets to get back onto the highway isn't really
efficient. I'm not sure how that's the fastest route considering the
street lights and all. In the examples I always give we're talking an
increase of time of at least 10 - 15 minutes. I'm not really sure why
the gps really does that considering it's suppose to be going the
fastest possible route, yet it's adding time to my arrival at my
destination. I think it's a bug in the firmware that does the route
calculations.
I guess if I didn't know the area I'd be following the directions turn
for turn so it wouldn't be beeping and recalculating like crazy.
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| Phil Wheeler 2006-04-12, 11:48 pm |
| I've lost track: Nuvi or 60CSx is doing this?
nathantw wrote:
> I'm trying to figure out if it's the software (CS 7.0) or the hardware
> recalcs that's causing the problem. It does get really annoying having
> the unit beep continuously since I wasn't following it's "ideal" route.
> I'm not so worried about the routes around areas I'm familiar with but
> I am worried about the fact that it might send me on a wild goose chase
> around areas I have no clue as to where I'm going. I mean, going from
> one freeway to the streets to get back onto the highway isn't really
> efficient. I'm not sure how that's the fastest route considering the
> street lights and all. In the examples I always give we're talking an
> increase of time of at least 10 - 15 minutes. I'm not really sure why
> the gps really does that considering it's suppose to be going the
> fastest possible route, yet it's adding time to my arrival at my
> destination. I think it's a bug in the firmware that does the route
> calculations.
>
> I guess if I didn't know the area I'd be following the directions turn
> for turn so it wouldn't be beeping and recalculating like crazy.
>
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| nathantw 2006-04-13, 5:48 pm |
| 60csx.
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| Phil Wheeler 2006-04-13, 5:48 pm |
| nathantw wrote:
> 60csx.
>
Suggestion: Quote the message you are replying to.
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| GSV Three Minds in a Can 2006-04-13, 5:48 pm |
| Bitstring <Y_s%f.2019$3W1.908@tornado.socal.rr.com>, from the wonderful
person Phil Wheeler <w6tuh-ng7@yahoo.com> said
>nathantw wrote:
>
>
>Suggestion: Quote the message you are replying to.
SOME OF the message you are replying to, yes.
--
GSV Three Minds in a Can
Failed to parity check ...
Global warning, you were to give them some global warning, you dumb drone!
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| Martin Richardson 2006-04-15, 5:48 pm |
| In message <1144847525.029996.40780@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
nathantw <nathantwong@yahoo.com> writes
>I'm trying to figure out if it's the software (CS 7.0) or the hardware
>recalcs that's causing the problem. It does get really annoying having
>the unit beep continuously since I wasn't following it's "ideal" route.
>I'm not so worried about the routes around areas I'm familiar with but
>I am worried about the fact that it might send me on a wild goose chase
>around areas I have no clue as to where I'm going. I mean, going from
>one freeway to the streets to get back onto the highway isn't really
>efficient. I
Yep - I had an interesting journey around the small town of Peebles* in
the Scottish borders yesterday - particularly liked the bit where two
parallel roads both came to a dead-end.
* A lovely little town on the River Tweed - if only I hadn't wanted to
get somewhere else.
However, my real problem with the 60CSx is: I have a new 60CSx with the
latest firmware - loaded with Topo GB. Just occasionally as it is
calculating a route it turns itself off and I have to push the power
key. Is this a common fault? Or do Garmin regard this as a 'feature' to
protect the unit from something nasty?
Also, I seem to have a problem with the 'Find' function - for example,
if using 'Find by Name' to find a 'city' the unit tells me immediately
there are none found from the very first letter other than the letter A.
Maybe I could understand not finding places starting with X - but B, L,
M Shirley not?
--
Martin Richardson
511/1554 Marilyns - 67% to go 60/89 Donalds - 33% to go
61/211 Irish Hewitts - 71% to go 283/284 Munros - 0.35% to go
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| Roy Lewallen 2006-04-15, 5:48 pm |
| Martin Richardson wrote:
>
> Yep - I had an interesting journey around the small town of Peebles* in
> the Scottish borders yesterday - particularly liked the bit where two
> parallel roads both came to a dead-end.
>
> * A lovely little town on the River Tweed - if only I hadn't wanted to
> get somewhere else.
> . . .
City Select Auto-routing took us on some incredibly weird paths in
Britain. It often took us over tiny back road lanes when much better
roads were available. It seems to have absolutely no concept of road
quality, and regards nearly all roads to be equal. We learned pretty
quickly to make our own routes from paper maps and force the unit to
follow it by adding a lot of waypoints to it. We always had the routing
selection set to "faster time".
In the U.S., it loves freeways and will take you a quarter of a mile on
a freeway or to an on ramp and back off the off ramp, but it's generally
a moderately efficient route, although seldom the optimum one.
If you have no map and need to get somewhere in an unfamiliar area, the
auto route will get you there, although almost never by the best route.
It's my experience that in the U.S., you can nearly always find a better
route if you know the local area. In Britain, you can nearly always find
a better route by looking at a paper map.
Auto-routing has a long way to go to be ready for prime time in my opinion.
Roy Lewallen
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| Phil Wheeler 2006-04-15, 11:48 pm |
| Roy Lewallen wrote:
> Martin Richardson wrote:
>
>
>
> City Select Auto-routing took us on some incredibly weird paths in
> Britain. It often took us over tiny back road lanes when much better
> roads were available. It seems to have absolutely no concept of road
> quality, and regards nearly all roads to be equal. We learned pretty
> quickly to make our own routes from paper maps and force the unit to
> follow it by adding a lot of waypoints to it. We always had the routing
> selection set to "faster time".
>
> In the U.S., it loves freeways and will take you a quarter of a mile on
> a freeway or to an on ramp and back off the off ramp, but it's generally
> a moderately efficient route, although seldom the optimum one.
>
> If you have no map and need to get somewhere in an unfamiliar area, the
> auto route will get you there, although almost never by the best route.
> It's my experience that in the U.S., you can nearly always find a better
> route if you know the local area. In Britain, you can nearly always find
> a better route by looking at a paper map.
>
> Auto-routing has a long way to go to be ready for prime time in my opinion.
>
Roy,
Where's your sense of adventure, your desire for the surprising and
unexpected .. the "magical mystery tour"? :)
73, Phil w7ox
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| Roy Lewallen 2006-04-15, 11:48 pm |
| Phil Wheeler wrote:
> Roy Lewallen wrote:
>
> Roy,
>
> Where's your sense of adventure, your desire for the surprising and
> unexpected .. the "magical mystery tour"? :)
>
> 73, Phil w7ox
Not to worry, I've got plenty of that, but there's a time for magical
mystery tours and a time to get to your destination. Some of the "roads"
we were routed on were an adventure indeed. But I'm also glad we caught
on and didn't let my GPS's creative routing prevent us from spending a
day at Bletchley Park, finding the giant trebuchets featured in the Nova
program, or having ample time to wander the streets and bookshops of
Hay-on-Wye, the "Town of Books". And, as I'm sure you'd appreciate,
attending the G-QRP Club "mini-convention" in Rochdale as well as the
big rally in Leicester.
Roy Lewallen
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| Roy Lewallen 2006-04-15, 11:48 pm |
| Artoi wrote:
> In article < 1242laacrrpfmfe@corp
.supernews.com>, Roy Lewallen
> <w7el@eznec.com> wrote:
>
>
> And there's a difference b/n the Nuvi and an eTrex (assumed to be
> similar to Map60 series) in this regard. The Nuvi seemed to function
> better. I have both and have had side to side comparisons.
Interesting. I was using a 76CS.
Roy Lewallen
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| Phil Wheeler 2006-04-15, 11:48 pm |
| Roy Lewallen wrote:
> Phil Wheeler wrote:
>
>
> Not to worry, I've got plenty of that, but there's a time for magical
> mystery tours and a time to get to your destination. Some of the "roads"
> we were routed on were an adventure indeed. But I'm also glad we caught
> on and didn't let my GPS's creative routing prevent us from spending a
> day at Bletchley Park, finding the giant trebuchets featured in the Nova
> program, or having ample time to wander the streets and bookshops of
> Hay-on-Wye, the "Town of Books". And, as I'm sure you'd appreciate,
> attending the G-QRP Club "mini-convention" in Rochdale as well as the
> big rally in Leicester.
>
>
Yes, Roy .. and also Bletchley Park: A special place :)
Phil
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| Phil Wheeler 2006-04-15, 11:48 pm |
| Roy Lewallen wrote:
> Artoi wrote:
>
>
>
> Interesting. I was using a 76CS.
>
Likely close to the "Map60" series. But I suspect it is more an issue
of maps than hardware. My SP-III (4-5 years old) and new 60Cx route the
same with the same maps and options.
Phil
| |
|
| In article <Uxf0g.2491$WA3.1587@tornado.socal.rr.com>, Phil Wheeler
<w6tuh-ng7@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Likely close to the "Map60" series. But I suspect it is more an issue
> of maps than hardware. My SP-III (4-5 years old) and new 60Cx route the
> same with the same maps and options.
I suspect it's more than the map. I have both my Nuvi and eTrex Vista
Cx loaded with the same map and similar navigation settings. On
multiple occasions, they would have different results.
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| Phil Wheeler 2006-04-16, 5:48 pm |
| Artoi wrote:
> In article <Uxf0g.2491$WA3.1587@tornado.socal.rr.com>, Phil Wheeler
> <w6tuh-ng7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I suspect it's more than the map. I have both my Nuvi and eTrex Vista
> Cx loaded with the same map and similar navigation settings. On
> multiple occasions, they would have different results.
>
> --
Perhaps .. I have not used a Nuvi.
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| kevin weaver 2006-04-16, 5:48 pm |
|
"Phil Wheeler" <w6tuh-ng7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:_5t0g.2590$WA3.1175@tornado.socal.rr.com...
> Artoi wrote:
>
>
> Perhaps .. I have not used a Nuvi.
How can It be the maps ? If both the 2610 and the nuvi have ver 7 loaded,
You would think It would be the device.
I sure wish I could figure It out. Garmin has no clue why.
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| kevin weaver 2006-04-16, 5:48 pm |
| Sorry guys, Wrong thread.
"Phil Wheeler" <w6tuh-ng7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:_5t0g.2590$WA3.1175@tornado.socal.rr.com...
> Artoi wrote:
>
>
> Perhaps .. I have not used a Nuvi.
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