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| Beans 2007-12-25, 10:33 pm |
| Hi,
I am considering purchasing a GPSMap 60 CSx and see from the Garmin web site
that the specks include tide tables. I cannot find any information about
this in the downloaded manual and am trying to find out more details:
Please excuse the million questions, essentially I would like to know all
about how it works or doesn't as the case may be.
- Is there information for standard ports only, for standard and secondary
ports or for everything in-between?
- How do you know where the nearest standard/secondary port is. Does the
unit tell you this?
- Is the tide information connected to Blue charts or is this information
available even if you have not purchased blue charts.
- Is the tidal information for the current time only or can you specify a
date and time to see future tides?
- Where does the tide information come from? Is it based on the phase of the
moon and your location? Is it downloaded from the satellites? Do you/can you
obtain and upload tide information.
- Is the tide information available for everywhere in the world or just in
areas where your base map is. If the latter is it possible to upload tide
information for other areas and if so where can this information be
obtained? I found one www link to a US Tide.exe but have not found any
Australian tides.
Any comments will be appreciated.
Regards.
Sean
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| NickTheBatMan 2007-12-26, 4:33 am |
| On 26 Dec, 03:54, "Beans" <seanb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am considering purchasing a GPSMap 60 CSx and see from the Garmin web site
> that the specks include tide tables. I cannot find any information about
> this in the downloaded manual and am trying to find out more details:
>
> Please excuse the million questions, essentially I would like to know all
> about how it works or doesn't as the case may be.
>
> - Is there information for standard ports only, for standard and secondary
> ports or for everything in-between?
> - How do you know where the nearest standard/secondary port is. Does the
> unit tell you this?
> - Is the tide information connected to Blue charts or is this information
> available even if you have not purchased blue charts.
> - Is the tidal information for the current time only or can you specify a
> date and time to see future tides?
> - Where does the tide information come from? Is it based on the phase of the
> moon and your location? Is it downloaded from the satellites? Do you/can you
> obtain and upload tide information.
> - Is the tide information available for everywhere in the world or just in
> areas where your base map is. If the latter is it possible to upload tide
> information for other areas and if so where can this information be
> obtained? I found one www link to a US Tide.exe but have not found any
> Australian tides.
>
> Any comments will be appreciated.
>
> Regards.
>
> Sean
The 60 and 76 don't display a tide table as you would expect, they
take their location and cross refer it to the calculated phase of the
sun and moon etc and give you a pictorial impression or what it's
going to be...
They call it Hunt and Fish and I've never managed to work out how it's
supposed to work...
I'll be keeping a good eye on this thread to see if anyone can help us
Sean.
HC&HNY :)
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| dold@74.usenet.us.com 2007-12-26, 3:33 pm |
| Beans <seanbxxx@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I am considering purchasing a GPSMap 60 CSx and see from the Garmin web
> site that the specks include tide tables. I cannot find any information
There is a set of tide tables that can be loaded to the 60 for the US, much
like any other map. The stations show up as little "wave" symbols, and
clicking on them reveals a chart of the tides, which you can adjust for
time other than the present.
http://www8.garmin.com/software/ Re...desSoftware.exe
I loaded this using MapSource, and I can also view it on my PC using
MapSource. I presume you would buy some other maps anyway.
> - Is there information for standard ports only, for standard and
> secondary ports or for everything in-between?
Only the US, as far as I know. There are hundreds of stations, not just in
ports, up rivers and creeks ffected by the tides.
> - How do you know where the nearest standard/secondary port is. Does the
> unit tell you this?
They look just like waypoints to me. I can see them on the PC, and I can
search for them on the GPS. I suppose I could do a "nearest containing"
search on the 60, but I haven't tried that.
> - Is the tidal information for the current time only or can you specify a
> date and time to see future tides?
Sliding bar of date/time and an open specifier box.
> - Where does the tide information come from? Is it based on the phase of
> the moon and your location? Is it downloaded from the satellites? Do
> you/can you obtain and upload tide information.
I think it is stale information, based on predictive charts.
> - Is the tide information available for everywhere in the world or just
> in areas where your base map is. If the latter is it possible to upload
> tide information for other areas and if so where can this information be
> obtained? I found one www link to a US Tide.exe but have not found any
> Australian tides.
I should have read to the bottom first ;-(
--
Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5
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| Jack Erbes 2007-12-26, 3:33 pm |
| Beans wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am considering purchasing a GPSMap 60 CSx and see from the Garmin web site
> that the specks include tide tables. I cannot find any information about
> this in the downloaded manual and am trying to find out more details:
>
> Please excuse the million questions, essentially I would like to know all
> about how it works or doesn't as the case may be.
Here's some info from the colonies that may give you some insight to how
Garmin handles it here and how it might be handled on one you buy in the UK.
The U.S. (North American) models come a database called "Americas Marine
Points" that includes symbols for navaids and tide points. The tide
symbols (called Tide Prediction Stations) are light blue circles with a
sine wave in them. When the database is displayed (it can be turned on
and off) the symbols display over whatever mapping is in use at the time
so it can be used with street and highway, topo, marine, or other mapping.
> - Is there information for standard ports only, for standard and secondary
> ports or for everything in-between?
The locations of the tide symbols includes the NOAA (the U.S. national
hydrographic agency) official tide measurement stations but there are
also many more symbols at other locations. For example, in the state of
Maine, USA, there are five official data collection stations along the
approximately 200 NM miles (straight line) distance of the coastline.
But the NOAA system appears to get data and/or observations from many
more sources within that area. The Marine Points database shows many,
many more symbols than five. There are probably a few thousand or so
symbols in the region that is covered by the five official measuring
stations.
> - How do you know where the nearest standard/secondary port is. Does the
> unit tell you this?
Those terms and/or that type of information are not used in the Garmin
Marine Points database. Mine makes no mention or distinction about the
symbols located at or near the NOAA stations or any others so I guess
the answer would be "no" to that question.
I use the tide symbols regularly in the course of boat deliveries and
find the data to be very accurate as far as times of the tides and water
depths. I think the database is making systematic predictions based on
historical data using the date and time and location chosen from the GPS
but don't know that for sure.
> - Is the tide information connected to Blue charts or is this information
> available even if you have not purchased blue charts.
In the case of the models that have the Marine Points database (the
60/76 Cx/CSx models for example), the tide info is included in the sale
and described as being a component of the base map.
If I turn the Mainepoint Database off I do not see the tide symbols when
I am using BlueChart marine charts. So I'm assuming that the tide data
is not included with BlueChart.
> - Is the tidal information for the current time only or can you specify a
> date and time to see future tides?
The tides are displayed initially as a graph for the current date and
time with a height/time curve. You can set any date and you can move
the cursor across the time scale for that date. You can also display a
table with the times and footages of the highs and lows for the set date.
> - Where does the tide information come from? Is it based on the phase of the
> moon and your location? Is it downloaded from the satellites? Do you/can you
> obtain and upload tide information.
Garmin does not explain that in any detail to my knowledge. I'd guess
it to be based on historical data supplied by government agencies, lunar
tables, and the date, time, and location too of course.
> - Is the tide information available for everywhere in the world or just in
> areas where your base map is. If the latter is it possible to upload tide
> information for other areas and if so where can this information be
> obtained? I found one www link to a US Tide.exe but have not found any
> Australian tides.
I don't have tide symbols for my entire base map, just the U.S.,
possessions, and some adjacent areas like in the Caribbean. It seems it
varies with government and political boundaries.
Here is a link to sorting out the data from the NOAA, as you can see it
is not a simple matter:
http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/
Jack
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Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA (jackerbes at roadrunner dot com)
(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine dot com)
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| Dan Anderson 2007-12-26, 3:33 pm |
| Jack Erbes wrote:
& #91;snip]
> In the case of the models that have the Marine Points database (the
> 60/76 Cx/CSx models for example), the tide info is included in the sale
> and described as being a component of the base map.
Are you sure the 60 series has the Marine Points database?
Receiver models advertised as being marine models (ie. the 76 series)
generally have the marine information. Other models may or may not
have it but you can usually download the information into similar
models if they don't already have it (as Jack has mentioned).
Some screen captures of tide tables in a 76Cx:
http://www.gpsmap.net/TideTables.html
--
Dan
(Email: dan at domain below )
(www.gpsmap.net)
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| Jack Erbes 2007-12-26, 10:33 pm |
| Dan Anderson wrote:
> Jack Erbes wrote:
> [snip]
>
> Are you sure the 60 series has the Marine Points database?ep
No, I'm not sure. In fact it appears on the face of it that I was wrong
about that. I thought the 60 and 76 had identical base maps but
apparently they do not.
It is one of those things where Garmin's labyrinth of product details
may either be misleading, confusing, or wrong. Or maybe all of the three.
If you click on the Specs tab on the 60 Cx, 60 CSx, 76 Cx, or 76CSx
pages there is a link to Download detailed specs in *.pdf format. Those
links produce the following two documents:
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/store/a...spe
c.pdf
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/store/a...spe
c.pdf
and the base map descriptions in those two documents are as follows:
76Cx and CSx - Basemap. Built-in routable basemap (North and South
America) with cities, highways, interstates, local thoroughfares and
secondary roads within metro areas, interstate exit services, airports,
rivers, lakes, coastlines and tide stations.
60 Cx and CSx - Basemap. Detailed routable basemap with cities,
highways, interstates, exit info, rivers, lakes, preloaded with
worldwide cities.
So looking at those I would interpret them to say that:
- 60's don't have tide stations,
- 60's don't have local thoroughfares/secondary roads in metro areas,
- 60's don't have coastlines (what the heck would that be like?)
- 76's don't have world cities,
But I'm not sure that the *.pdf documents have it right. My 76Cx tons of
worldwide cities on it. Does the 60Cx/CSx not have the Americas Marine
Point Database listed on the menu for turning the maps on and off? And
does it not have the additional detail in metro areas?
> Receiver models advertised as being marine models (ie. the 76 series)
> generally have the marine information. Other models may or may not
> have it but you can usually download the information into similar
> models if they don't already have it (as Jack has mentioned).
And now I'm wondering if you can still download that or not. I just
searched the Garmin web pages for Americas Marine Point and found
nothing, the 76Cx page does not mention it, and I can't find any
description of it anywhere or a link for downloading it.
I've often told people that the 60 and 76 "x" series models are
identical as far as features and software but I won't say that anymore.
Now it appears that if you want one for marine use the 76 series is a
much better choice.
The Americas Marine Point database is actually very good, Garmin does
themselves a disservice by not mentioning it. It has much more than
just the tide symbols in it. In my travels along the coastline and in
coastal waters off of New England, I don't think I can recall seeing or
passing a government maintained navaid that was not shown in the
database. Some of the marks shown in the database are missing from time
to time, lost or pulled for maintenance I guess, but that is normal enough.
Even all the unlighted red and green nun and can buoys that mark all the
narrow passages and channels are shown on it. I could easily navigate
familiar waters using just Americas Marine Point data. Doing that would
leave me with no soundings or or bottom detail though. But if I was
following known and previously used routes and sure they were in safe
waters, I would do it in a pinch.
> Some screen captures of tide tables in a 76Cx:
> http://www.gpsmap.net/TideTables.html
Nice job on that, Dan!
Jack
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Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA (jackerbes at roadrunner dot com)
(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine dot com)
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| Deacon Blues 2007-12-26, 10:33 pm |
| Jack Erbes wrote:
> Dan Anderson wrote:
>
> No, I'm not sure. In fact it appears on the face of it that I was wrong
> about that. I thought the 60 and 76 had identical base maps but
> apparently they do not.
>
& #91;snip]
> 76Cx and CSx - Basemap. Built-in routable basemap (North and South
> America) with cities, highways, interstates, local thoroughfares and
> secondary roads within metro areas, interstate exit services, airports,
> rivers, lakes, coastlines and tide stations.
>
> 60 Cx and CSx - Basemap. Detailed routable basemap with cities,
> highways, interstates, exit info, rivers, lakes, preloaded with
> worldwide cities.
>
> So looking at those I would interpret them to say that:
>
> - 60's don't have tide stations,
> - 60's don't have local thoroughfares/secondary roads in metro areas,
> - 60's don't have coastlines (what the heck would that be like?)
> - 76's don't have world cities,
>
> But I'm not sure that the *.pdf documents have it right. My 76Cx tons of
> worldwide cities on it. Does the 60Cx/CSx not have the Americas Marine
> Point Database listed on the menu for turning the maps on and off? And
> does it not have the additional detail in metro areas?
>
>
> And now I'm wondering if you can still download that or not. I just
> searched the Garmin web pages for Americas Marine Point and found
> nothing, the 76Cx page does not mention it, and I can't find any
> description of it anywhere or a link for downloading it.
>
> I've often told people that the 60 and 76 "x" series models are
> identical as far as features and software but I won't say that anymore.
> Now it appears that if you want one for marine use the 76 series is a
> much better choice.
>
> The Americas Marine Point database is actually very good, Garmin does
> themselves a disservice by not mentioning it. It has much more than
> just the tide symbols in it. In my travels along the coastline and in
> coastal waters off of New England, I don't think I can recall seeing or
> passing a government maintained navaid that was not shown in the
> database. Some of the marks shown in the database are missing from time
> to time, lost or pulled for maintenance I guess, but that is normal enough.
>
> Even all the unlighted red and green nun and can buoys that mark all the
> narrow passages and channels are shown on it. I could easily navigate
> familiar waters using just Americas Marine Point data. Doing that would
> leave me with no soundings or or bottom detail though. But if I was
> following known and previously used routes and sure they were in safe
> waters, I would do it in a pinch.
>
>
> Nice job on that, Dan!
>
> Jack
>
For what it's worth, my 60CSx does have the Americas Marine Point
Database listed in the "Setup Map" menu. However, the tide stations
don't show on on my Map page until I zoom in to 1.2 miles (at default
settings)... and the navigational buoys don't appear until I'm zoomed in
to 800 feet.
--
Deacon Blues
"Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain."
-- Friedrich von Schiller
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| dold@74.usenet.us.com 2007-12-26, 10:33 pm |
| Jack Erbes <jacker@midmaine.com> wrote:
> And now I'm wondering if you can still download that or not. I just
> searched the Garmin web pages for Americas Marine Point and found
> nothing, the 76Cx page does not mention it, and I can't find any
> description of it anywhere or a link for downloading it.
It is very difficult to locate the
http://www8.garmin.com/software/ Re...desSoftware.exe But
that does work for the GPSMap 60cs, and is available today. I don't know
what was available with the basemap.
--
Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5
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| dold@74.usenet.us.com 2007-12-26, 10:33 pm |
| dold@74.usenet.us.com wrote:
I went to "setup map" on my GPSMap 60cs and unchecked the Oct 2007 Tide
"map" that I had uploaded with MapSource. The tide stations all
disappeared. I don't see any way to search for them in the GPS, but they
are pretty easy to see even zoomed out to a fairly large area.
http://www8.garmin.com/support/down...ct=010-00199-00
In the bottom right:
Download Recommended MapSource US Tides Software
If you do not own a MapSource product which contains tides, but you do own
another MapSource product, you can download and install this free MapSource
U.S. Tides software. You must already own a MapSource product for this
download to work. You can combine tide stations coverage from the Tides
product with maps from other MapSource products and upload this to your
unit.
--
Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5
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| Jack Erbes 2007-12-27, 3:33 pm |
| Deacon Blues wrote:
<snip>
> For what it's worth, my 60CSx does have the Americas Marine Point
> Database listed in the "Setup Map" menu. However, the tide stations
> don't show on on my Map page until I zoom in to 1.2 miles (at default
> settings)... and the navigational buoys don't appear until I'm zoomed in
> to 800 feet.
That sounds like the same thing as is on my 76Cx. So maybe the 60 and
76 have the same stuff on their basemaps and Garmin has just described
them poorly and differently?
The Max Zoom settings for Map Points control the display level.
Menu > Setup Map > Enter takes you to the Map Setup menu, cursor across
to the Map Setup - Points (the little flag), and the Max Zoom setting
for Map Points controls the zoom level. The points will be seen at and
below the value set.
I generally have mine set at 0.5 or 0.8 files or so. It sounds like
your is still on the default Auto setting.
Jack
--
Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA (jackerbes at roadrunner dot com)
(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine dot com)
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| Jack Erbes 2007-12-27, 3:33 pm |
| dold@74.usenet.us.com wrote:
<snip>
> It is very difficult to locate the
> http://www8.garmin.com/software/ Re...desSoftware.exe But
> that does work for the GPSMap 60cs, and is available today. I don't know
> what was available with the basemap.
Thanks for the link to that.
That download installs a new map under MapSource that is called the
GPSMAP 162/168 Tide Points.
That will be handy to have as I did not have any tide points there
before. It seems kind of silly that tide points are not included in the
BlueChart mapping but they are not.
A quick check seems to indicate that the GPSMAP 162/168 Tide Points
mapping has all the same tide symbols as are in the Americans Marine
Points database.
Jack
--
Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA (jackerbes at roadrunner dot com)
(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine dot com)
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| Deacon Blues 2007-12-27, 10:33 pm |
| Jack Erbes wrote:
> Deacon Blues wrote:
> <snip>
>
> That sounds like the same thing as is on my 76Cx. So maybe the 60 and
> 76 have the same stuff on their basemaps and Garmin has just described
> them poorly and differently?
>
> The Max Zoom settings for Map Points control the display level.
>
> Menu > Setup Map > Enter takes you to the Map Setup menu, cursor across
> to the Map Setup - Points (the little flag), and the Max Zoom setting
> for Map Points controls the zoom level. The points will be seen at and
> below the value set.
>
> I generally have mine set at 0.5 or 0.8 files or so. It sounds like
> your is still on the default Auto setting.
>
> Jack
>
Thanks for the tip... as I am still becoming acquainted with my 60CSx, I
do have most of my settings at the factory default.
You mentioned in a later post (on this topic) that you thought it would
be handy to have the GPSMAP 162/168 Tide Points as you did not have them
there before. And a little further on you mention that it looks like the
GPSMAP 162/168 Tide Points have all the same points as the Americans
Marine Points database. But if you already have the Americans Marine
Points database and they appear to be the same as the GPSMAP 162/168
Tide Points, what benefit is loading the GPSMAP 162/168 Tide Points? Did
I misunderstand you? I only ask since as my 60CSx also has the Americans
Marine Points database, I'm wondering if there is any benefit to loading
the GPSMAP 162/168 Tide Points if it is mere duplication.
--
Deacon Blues
"Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain."
-- Friedrich von Schiller
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| MacArthur 2007-12-27, 10:33 pm |
| "Jack Erbes" <jacker@midmaine.com> wrote in message
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> Deacon Blues wrote:
> <snip>
Jack,
I have a GPSmap 76CS and Mapsource/Topo Canada.
My unit has Americas Autoroute basemap, and had a Marine Point database
installed when it arrived from the dealer.
After loading the Atlantic Provinces from Topo Canada, the Marine POI is no
longer present.
Of course, if I reload the POI, Topo Canada is no longer present.
Is there a way to have both sets of data coexisting on the GPSR?
At any rate does the 76CS even have tide table capability?
It does have the hunting and fishing data, but I can't seem to find tide
info.
I have tide tables in my old Nobletec VNS package, but it would be nice to
have a more portable version.
Any input from yourself or the group would be appreciated.
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| Jack Erbes 2007-12-27, 10:33 pm |
| Deacon Blues wrote:
<snip>
> You mentioned in a later post (on this topic) that you thought it would
> be handy to have the GPSMAP 162/168 Tide Points as you did not have them
> there before. And a little further on you mention that it looks like the
> GPSMAP 162/168 Tide Points have all the same points as the Americans
> Marine Points database. But if you already have the Americans Marine
> Points database and they appear to be the same as the GPSMAP 162/168
> Tide Points, what benefit is loading the GPSMAP 162/168 Tide Points?
I meant that I did not have any tide points on the MapSource install on
my PC. I had them on the 76Cx already of course. I occasionally build
marine routes or do route planning with MapSource on the PC and can use
the tide info there occasionally. I occasionally pick up or deliver a
boat where tides are a consideration.
> Did
> I misunderstand you? I only ask since as my 60CSx also has the Americans
> Marine Points database, I'm wondering if there is any benefit to loading
> the GPSMAP 162/168 Tide Points if it is mere duplication.
The benefit would be that if you are using MapSource now, the download
from the link that Clarence posted will also give you a tide table
install you could use in MapSource.
Jack
--
Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA (jackerbes at roadrunner dot com)
(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine dot com)
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| Jack Erbes 2007-12-27, 10:33 pm |
| MacArthur wrote:
<snip>
> Jack,
>
> I have a GPSmap 76CS and Mapsource/Topo Canada.
>
> My unit has Americas Autoroute basemap, and had a Marine Point database
> installed when it arrived from the dealer.
>
> After loading the Atlantic Provinces from Topo Canada, the Marine POI is
> no longer present.
>
> Of course, if I reload the POI, Topo Canada is no longer present.
>
> Is there a way to have both sets of data coexisting on the GPSR?
The download that Clarence mentioned is at this link:
http://www8.garmin.com/software/ Re...desSoftware.exe
If you click on that it will let you download that
RecommendedMapSource
USTidesSoftware.exe file and save it to your computer.
If you then double click the RecommendedMapSource
USTidesSoftware.exe
file, it will install a map named GPSMAP 162/168 Tide Points to your
existing MapSource install.
At least in theory, you could select the tide points maps along with the
Canadian topo maps and upload them both to your 76CS. That might be
worth trying. Doing that worked on my 76Cx, see below.
The GPSMAP 162/168 Tide Points map has all of North America (divided
into three segments) and they can be selected and uploaded like the
other maps.
Now what may be the bad news, depending on where you live. The map
shows tide symbols along the coastline of British Columbia but none at
all along the eastern coast of Canada.
I uploaded two of the the GPSMAP 162/168 Tide Points segments to a
microSD card and tried that in my 76Cx and they worked fine. I turned
the Americas Marine Points off and the GPSMAP 162/168 on and all the
same symbols seemed to be in the same places and they worked the same way.
> At any rate does the 76CS even have tide table capability?
The three map segments are only 50-60 kb each in size, you could upload
one or all of them and see if they work quickly and easily enough.
If you try that, let us know if it works.
How was the marine POI that you received with the 76Cx installed to
begin with? If it was uploaded as a gmapsupp.img file and that is what
you saved and have re-used since, then I don't think there is anyway to
combine that with your Canadian Topo upload to get both in the same
file. But you could combine the 162/168 tide points map from the link
above with your Canadian topo maps.
Jack
--
Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA (jackerbes at roadrunner dot com)
(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine dot com)
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| Deacon Blues 2007-12-27, 10:33 pm |
| Jack Erbes wrote:
> Deacon Blues wrote:
> <snip>
>
> I meant that I did not have any tide points on the MapSource install on
> my PC. I had them on the 76Cx already of course. I occasionally build
> marine routes or do route planning with MapSource on the PC and can use
> the tide info there occasionally. I occasionally pick up or deliver a
> boat where tides are a consideration.
>
>
> The benefit would be that if you are using MapSource now, the download
> from the link that Clarence posted will also give you a tide table
> install you could use in MapSource.
>
> Jack
>
Understood.
I knew that I had seen tide stations in MapSource... I see that there
are some tide stations available through TOPO U.S. 2008 (but not through
its predecessor, US Topo 2003 - although US Topo 2003 does have marine
navigational aids). In a similar twist of logic, I see that MetroGuide
USA version 4 has both tide stations *and* navigational aids while City
Navigator North America NT 2008 has neither (though one might not expect
this given its name).
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"Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain."
-- Friedrich von Schiller
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| I had a look at a demo unit in the shop and it appears that tide information
is not available for the Australia unless you purchase the relevant Blue
charts.
What I also found out was that my old Mapsourse Metroguide Australia does
not provide any auto routing information and if I would like this to work on
a new GPS unit I would have to pay full price for the new version of this
product as Garmin does not offer an option to purchase an upgrade.
Sean
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| "Beans" <seanbxxx@yahoo.com> wrote in news:47749534$0$2209
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@news.optusnet.com.au:
> Garmin does not offer an option to purchase an upgrade
I am supposed to get a US$30 rebate by mail afer buying US Topo 2008,
because I already had an old US Topo CD. So, somwhere they do offer
rebates ...
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Best regards
Han
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| On Dec 27, 3:45 pm, "MacArthur" <MacArthuris@_Gmail.com> wrote:
> I have a GPSmap 76CS and Mapsource/Topo Canada.
I also have a 76CS (non-x)
> My unit has Americas Autoroute basemap, and had a Marine Point database
> installed when it arrived from the dealer.
>
> After loading the Atlantic Provinces from Topo Canada, the Marine POI is no
> longer present.
>
> Of course, if I reload the POI, Topo Canada is no longer present.
>
> Is there a way to have both sets of data coexisting on the GPSR?
I don't think so, but the good news is that the tide data isn't stored
in the preloaded database that gets erased when you load maps. It's
stored separately in the 76CS. I erased that preloaded marine point
database when I loaded City Navigator, and I still have the tide
function.
> At any rate does the 76CS even have tide table capability?
Yes, I've used it on numerous beach vacations. It's fun.
>
> It does have the hunting and fishing data, but I can't seem to find tide
> info.
FIND>Marine Points>Tide Station. This will show a list of tide
stations that are within some default distance from the receiver's
location. I haven't determined the exact distance, but it is greater
than 120 statute miles. They are listed in order from closest to
farthest, making it easy to find the nearest one. (Note that this
eliminates the need to find them on the map page.) Highlight a
station in the list and press ENTER. When the page comes up, press
MENU to see options.
If you aren't close enough to one of the built-in tide stations, it
will say "None Found". If that happens, you can verify that you have
the tide data by putting the receiver into "Use With GPS Off" mode,
and selecting a new location. Try San Francisco; there are bunches of
stations there. If you do this and do the FIND procedure, you should
get the list.
I feel pretty sure this will work for you. I would appreciate it if
you would post back and let me know.
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| MacArthur 2007-12-28, 12:33 pm |
| "Jack Erbes" <jacker@midmaine.com> wrote in message
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> MacArthur wrote:
> <snip>
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>
>
> The download that Clarence mentioned is at this link:
>
> http://www8.garmin.com/software/ Re...desSoftware.exe
>
> If you click on that it will let you download that
> RecommendedMapSource
USTidesSoftware.exe file and save it to your computer.
I had already tried that, but as you mentioned below; I live on the east
coast of Canada and that database has only American tables for the east
coast.
>
>
> Now what may be the bad news, depending on where you live. The map shows
> tide symbols along the coastline of British Columbia but none at all along
> the eastern coast of Canada.
>
Indeed!
> If you try that, let us know if it works.
>
> How was the marine POI that you received with the 76Cx installed to begin
> with? If it was uploaded as a gmapsupp.img file and that is what you
> saved and have re-used since, then I don't think there is anyway to
> combine that with your Canadian Topo upload to get both in the same file.
> But you could combine the 162/168 tide points map from the link above with
> your Canadian topo maps.
My unit is a CS; no x/no microcard :0(
Thanks for the input.
See Roy's post below my OP, I tried his suggestion as well, but I gotta the
dreaded "none found".
There are tide stations in my area; it would seem that Garmin didn't include
them.
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> Jack
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| Jack Erbes 2007-12-28, 3:33 pm |
| Beans wrote:
> I had a look at a demo unit in the shop and it appears that tide information
> is not available for the Australia unless you purchase the relevant Blue
> charts.
If the tide info in the Australian
>
> What I also found out was that my old Mapsourse Metroguide Australia does
> not provide any auto routing information and if I would like this to work on
> a new GPS unit I would have to pay full price for the new version of this
> product as Garmin does not offer an option to purchase an upgrade.
>
There is a way to get the MetroGuide maps to autoroute. It is not a
Garmin approved thing and some people will consider you dishonest for
using it. And maybe even think harshly of me for mentioning it here.
It is called Metrowizzz and you can read about it here:
http://www.geodude.nl/gps/modules/s...em.php?itemid=2
Jack
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Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA (jackerbes at roadrunner dot com)
(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine dot com)
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| Jack Erbes 2007-12-28, 3:33 pm |
| MacArthur wrote:
<snip>
> There are tide stations in my area; it would seem that Garmin didn't
> include them.
Eureka! I've found the Canadian tide stations!
I remembered that there is also a map that is installed with BlueChart
Americas that is called the BlueChart Americas V9.5 Tides and Marine
Services.
I use that occasionally to find the locations and phone numbers of
marinas. And now I see that it also has tide symbols info for Canadian
waters in addition to all the tide symbols I previously mentioned.
There are quite a few tide symbols seen in the Canadian waters on both
the east and west coasts. The eastern tide coverage is basically about
40 or so tide symbols scattered around the Gulf of St. Lawrence and
along the coasts of Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, and New Brunswick.
The westernmost tide symbols in the eastern Canadian waters are at
Baie-Comeau (N49 13.949 W68 08.068) and Pointe-Au-Piere (N48 30.938 W68
28.008) on the St. Lawrence River. I suppose that means that tides are
not much of a factor west of there, or does that sound right?
Not trying to sound elitist or anything, but the tide symbols are much
closer together or denser in U.S. waters. Maybe that just means that
U.S. boaters are less skilled at keeping themselves off the rocks and
shoals need more help than their Canadian brethren?
Jack
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Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA (jackerbes at roadrunner dot com)
(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine dot com)
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| larry@fishing.net 2007-12-29, 10:33 pm |
| On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:59:40 -0500, Jack Erbes <jacker@midmaine.com>
wrote:
>There is a way to get the MetroGuide maps to autoroute. It is not a
>Garmin approved thing and some people will consider you dishonest for
>using it. And maybe even think harshly of me for mentioning it here.
>
>It is called Metrowizzz and you can read about it here:
>
>http://www.geodude.nl/gps/modules/s...em.php?itemid=2
>
>Jack
There was a time when I too would have felt that way Jack. But the
way that Garmin went about changing their two units unlocks per bought
map set and not giving a free upgrade when you purchased a product
that had a very old map set included, changed my outlook. They should
have given advance notice about these changes. Not let everyone find
out after Garmin gets the money for the upgrade or the new purchase
with old maps. I know I felt that they did me wrong doing it the way
they did.
Anyway, now I use the older Metroguide maps on my newest GPS, a GPS
Map 76CSx, with Metrowizz. I bought it for mostly off road use but
thought I would use the extra unlock from the unit I bought for my
wife's car. What a surprise I got when I tried to do that. So I made
a donation to Metrowizz and the program works just as good as if it
was written by Garmin.
I believe they way Garmin is heading they will loose a lot of the old
customers. Making the units with much less navigating ability and a
lot of eye candy, changing the policy on the two unlocks and not
giving a free upgrade if you got old maps has already made me decide
that I will look at other company units when I decide to upgrade next.
I have been a Garmin ONLY customer for GPS and Chart plotters/Fish
finders for over 10 years. I never even looked at offerings from
other companies. I have bought eight GPS's, three Fish finder/ Chart
plotters, assorted Software, Map sets and upgrades from Garmin. That
may change with my next purchase. I may still buy Garmin but I WILL
look at any that are available.
Larry
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| Jack Erbes 2007-12-30, 7:33 am |
| larry@fishing.net wrote:
<snip>
> There was a time when I too would have felt that way Jack. But...
Well spake! I feel pretty much the same way.
Jack
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Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA - jackerbes at adelphia dot net
(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine.com)
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| NickTheBatMan 2007-12-30, 10:33 am |
| On 28 Dec, 15:16, Roy <roybass...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 27, 3:45 pm, "MacArthur" <MacArthuris@_Gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I also have a 76CS (non-x)
>
>
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> I don't think so, but the good news is that the tide data isn't stored
> in the preloaded database that gets erased when you load maps. =A0It's
> stored separately in the 76CS. =A0I erased that preloaded marine point
> database when I loaded City Navigator, and I still have the tide
> function.
>
>
> Yes, I've used it on numerous beach vacations. =A0It's fun.
>
>
>
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>
> FIND>Marine Points>Tide Station. =A0This will show a list of tide
> stations that are within some default distance from the receiver's
> location. =A0I haven't determined the exact distance, but it is greater
> than 120 statute miles. =A0They are listed in order from closest to
> farthest, making it easy to find the nearest one. (Note that this
> eliminates the need to find them on the map page.) =A0Highlight a
> station in the list and press ENTER. =A0When the page comes up, press
> MENU to see options.
>
> If you aren't close enough to one of the built-in tide stations, it
> will say "None Found". =A0If that happens, you can verify that you have
> the tide data by putting the receiver into "Use With GPS Off" mode,
> and selecting a new location. =A0Try San Francisco; there are bunches of
> stations there. =A0If you do this and do the FIND procedure, you should
> get the list.
>
> I feel pretty sure this will work for you. =A0I would appreciate it if
> you would post back and let me know.
Typical, I have a 76 and after following your advise find that they're
all in there... despite me loading the whole of the maps for NT EU as
well as others...
There's nothing there for UK or EU though :(
Why can't Garmin put all the world in it or supply us small files for
where we are that we can upload with other maps ?
Nick in England where we're never more than 52 miles from the sea...!
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| MacArthur 2007-12-30, 12:33 pm |
| "Roy" <roybassist@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Dec 27, 3:45 pm, "MacArthur" <MacArthuris@_Gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I also have a 76CS (non-x)
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> If you aren't close enough to one of the built-in tide stations, it
> will say "None Found". If that happens, you can verify that you have
> the tide data by putting the receiver into "Use With GPS Off" mode,
> and selecting a new location. Try San Francisco; there are bunches of
> stations there. If you do this and do the FIND procedure, you should
> get the list.
>
> I feel pretty sure this will work for you. I would appreciate it if
> you would post back and let me know.
Roy,
Thanks for the info.
That did indeed work!
It seems that Garmin's database doesn't have Newfoundland and Labrador tide
stations.
It does have stations for eastern Canada, and if I move within ~550 miles of
them, the list is displayed.
I can then select a particular station and see the 24 hour tide plot.
Live and learn :0)
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Live strong and have a nice day, - "Nil carborundum illegitimi"!
Mac H E L P the planet - Don't I D L E ! ! !
Over 1600 Links at Http://MacArthur.Funknstyle.Com
Pictures at http://www.flickr.com/photos/macarthur
and http://www.flickr.com/photos/macarthur-ii/
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