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| Steve Calvin 2007-03-09, 7:33 am |
| Other than being extremely poor usenet etiquette, keeping
400 lines of prior text and 7 others posts make things VERY
difficult and painful to view. Especially to see a one or
two line comment.
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Steve
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| Bill KB3GUN 2007-03-09, 7:33 am |
| Steve Calvin wrote:
> Other than being extremely poor usenet etiquette, keeping
> 400 lines of prior text and 7 others posts make things VERY
> difficult and painful to view. Especially to see a one or
> two line comment.
OK...
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Smitty
Somerset, PA
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| Mortimer Schnerd, RN 2007-03-09, 7:33 am |
| Steve Calvin wrote:
> Other than being extremely poor usenet etiquette, keeping
> 400 lines of prior text and 7 others posts make things VERY
> difficult and painful to view. Especially to see a one or
> two line comment.
You could apply my little technique: If I can't see the answer in the first
screen, I move on to the next message. Obviously the poster didn't really want
us to read his comment.
People need to remember quotations are only to give a point of reference...
they're not to function as an archive of the entire thread. That's what all the
previous posts in the thread are supposed to do. One or two paragraphs is
plenty of quotation, in my opinion. And if I have to scroll down before I see
the new material, I'm moving on.
Too bad.
--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com
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| Steve Calvin 2007-03-09, 7:33 am |
| Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
> You could apply my little technique: If I can't see the answer in the first
> screen, I move on to the next message. Obviously the poster didn't really want
> us to read his comment.
I do, but it's a shame to miss out on 90% of the posts here.
If a post hasn't been trimmed, I immediately move to the
next one.
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Steve
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| Brian K 2007-03-09, 7:33 am |
| That's why I like top posting. Few people bottom post correctly.
"Steve Calvin" <calvins@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
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> I do, but it's a shame to miss out on 90% of the posts here. If a post
> hasn't been trimmed, I immediately move to the next one.
>
> --
> Steve
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"Brian K" <iibntgyea4 REMOVE_THIS@hotmail.com> wrote:
> That's why I like top posting. Few people bottom post correctly.
That's why I kill-file topper <bg> Bye!
> "Steve Calvin" <calvins@optonline.net> wrote in message=20
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| Dave S 2007-03-09, 7:33 am |
| Makes me laugh. He thinks he's punishing Brian.
Dave S.
Joel wrote:[color=darkred
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> "Brian K" <iibntgyea4 REMOVE_THIS@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> That's why I kill-file topper <bg> Bye!
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| Steve Calvin 2007-03-09, 7:33 am |
| Brian K wrote:
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> That's why I like top posting. Few people bottom post
> correctly.
I am even less tolerant of top posting than I am of
non-snippers....
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Steve
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| Mortimer Schnerd, RN 2007-03-09, 7:33 am |
| Brian K wrote:
> That's why I like top posting. Few people bottom post correctly.
I don't mind top posters... as long as they go to the trouble of trimming
correctly as well. Most of them don't do that either.
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Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com
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| Brian K 2007-03-09, 7:33 am |
| I only read the top post information. What's below the top post I've
probably read before. Or if it was way down the page, I've deliberately not
read it.
"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Brian K wrote:
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> I don't mind top posters... as long as they go to the trouble of trimming
> correctly as well. Most of them don't do that either.
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> --
> Mortimer Schnerd, RN
> mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com
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| Elmo P. Shagnasty 2007-03-09, 7:33 am |
| Really?
Then how do you know?
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| In article < 9pmdnfXiFPY3GG3YnZ2d
nUVZ_hWdnZ2d@giganew
s.com>,
Mortimer Schnerd, RN <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote:
>Steve Calvin wrote:
>
>
>You could apply my little technique: If I can't see the answer in the first
>screen, I move on to the next message. Obviously the poster didn't really want
>us to read his comment.
>
>People need to remember quotations are only to give a point of reference...
>they're not to function as an archive of the entire thread. That's what all the
>previous posts in the thread are supposed to do. One or two paragraphs is
>plenty of quotation, in my opinion. And if I have to scroll down before I see
>the new material, I'm moving on.
>
>Too bad.
>
>
>
>--
>Mortimer Schnerd, RN
>mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com
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Sure thing.
--
Joel Plutchak "They're not people, they're HIPPIES!"
$LASTNAME at VERYWARMmail.com - Eric Cartman
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| emmbeedee 2007-03-09, 10:33 am |
| On Mar 9, 8:18 am, plutc...@see.headers (Joel) wrote:[color=darkred
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> In article < 9pmdnfXiFPY3GG3YnZ2d
nUVZ_hWdn...@giganews.com>,
> Mortimer Schnerd, RN <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote:
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I think the problem is much worse for people who use dedicated
newsreaders, as opposed to browsing the newsgroup in Google Groups.
The Google Groups interface does not show you the quoted text most of
the time, so the messages with huge amounts of quoted text and a one
line response at the end are in fact all on one screen anyway, when
you use the Google interface.
I could fire up a newsreader, but it's a lot easier to just use Google
Groups, for me.
Emm
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> I don't mind top posters... as long as they go to the trouble of trimming
> correctly as well. Most of them don't do that either.
I use Outlook Express as my newsreader which places the curser at the top of
the posts so can understand why so many people (including me if I forget)
top post. The Help file for OE says that to reply to a message, click
reply, type the reply & send to the group; it says nothing about moving the
curser to the end; so unless ones is used to netiquette anyone using OE will
top post.
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| Kent Friis 2007-03-09, 12:33 pm |
| Den Fri, 9 Mar 2007 17:15:32 -0000 skrev Pod:
>
> I use Outlook Express as my newsreader which places the curser at the top of
> the posts so can understand why so many people (including me if I forget)
> top post.
One version of Netscape (I think) placed the cursor at the bottom. Most
annoying thing ever.
Normally, I start from the top, remove some parts, reply to others,
and when I get to the bottom, I press send. But with the cursor
placed at the bottom, using that method would have me reading from
bottom to top, replying above each thing I reply to. I.e. a modified
form of top posting. To make a normal post, I would either need to
move the cursor upwards, until I got to the part to reply to, then down
below to write the reply, then upwards again to find the next part to
reply to. Or start out by moving the cursor to the top, then reply to
one thing at a time.
Apart from that stupid version of Netscape, EVERY news reader I have
ever used places the cursor at the top.
> The Help file for OE says that to reply to a message, click
> reply, type the reply & send to the group; it says nothing about moving the
> curser to the end; so unless ones is used to netiquette anyone using OE will
> top post.
No. Anyone who reads the help file, and considers it an authority, and
anyone who has watched too much jeopardy would do so.
Anyone using OE who just answers as they would do IRL or on the phone
will follow netiquette quite well, only missing the part about removing
stuff you don't reply to. Afterall, the only people one answers before
hearing the question IRL and on the phone is sales people and
Jehovas Witnesses.
"Hello, I'm calling from Verizon, I would like to..."
"Not interested" <hangs up>
"Hello, I'm a Jeho..."
"No" <closes door>
/Kent
--
"So there I was surrounded by all these scary creatures
They were even scarier than what Microsoft call features"
- C64Mafia: Forbidden Forest (Don't Go Walking Slow).
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| Dave S 2007-03-10, 7:33 am |
| Mozilla Thunderbird gives the user the option.
In "Tools","Account Settings","Composition and Addressing" there is the
option to "Start my reply above the quote" or "Start my reply below the
quote".
Dave S.
Kent Friis wrote:
> Den Fri, 9 Mar 2007 17:15:32 -0000 skrev Pod:
>
> One version of Netscape (I think) placed the cursor at the bottom. Most
> annoying thing ever.
>
> Normally, I start from the top, remove some parts, reply to others,
> and when I get to the bottom, I press send. But with the cursor
> placed at the bottom, using that method would have me reading from
> bottom to top, replying above each thing I reply to. I.e. a modified
> form of top posting. To make a normal post, I would either need to
> move the cursor upwards, until I got to the part to reply to, then down
> below to write the reply, then upwards again to find the next part to
> reply to. Or start out by moving the cursor to the top, then reply to
> one thing at a time.
>
> Apart from that stupid version of Netscape, EVERY news reader I have
> ever used places the cursor at the top.
>
>
> No. Anyone who reads the help file, and considers it an authority, and
> anyone who has watched too much jeopardy would do so.
>
> Anyone using OE who just answers as they would do IRL or on the phone
> will follow netiquette quite well, only missing the part about removing
> stuff you don't reply to. Afterall, the only people one answers before
> hearing the question IRL and on the phone is sales people and
> Jehovas Witnesses.
>
> "Hello, I'm calling from Verizon, I would like to..."
> "Not interested" <hangs up>
>
> "Hello, I'm a Jeho..."
> "No" <closes door>
>
> /Kent
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| Kent Friis 2007-03-10, 7:33 am |
| Den Fri, 09 Mar 2007 12:56:29 -0600 skrev Dave S:
> Mozilla Thunderbird gives the user the option.
> In "Tools","Account Settings","Composition and Addressing" there is the
> option to "Start my reply above the quote" or "Start my reply below the
> quote".
What's the difference?
If you read my post you replied to, you would see that answering
netiquette style (reply below quote) works best with the cursor starting
at the top.
And AFAIK, those who top post start with the cursor at the top too.
/Kent
--
"So there I was surrounded by all these scary creatures
They were even scarier than what Microsoft call features"
- C64Mafia: Forbidden Forest (Don't Go Walking Slow).
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| Jack Erbes 2007-03-10, 7:33 am |
| Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
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> I don't mind top posters... as long as they go to the trouble of trimming
> correctly as well. Most of them don't do that either.
>
To me top posting says "I couldn't be bothered to read the question but
here is my opinion or answer."
So, in that case, everything below their top post should be snipped.
All of it.
If we could get top posters to snip everything below their post it would
make a major contribution to conserving bandwidth.
Jack
P.S.
This will be the last thing I have to say about top posting.
--
Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA (jackerbes at adelphia dot net)
(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine dot com)
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All readers place the cursor at Upper_Left_Corner of screen, and all =
users
just need to Page_Down or similar would do.
Agent, user can just hi-lite any part of a long message one wishes to
quote then Agent will quote only the marked area.
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| Dave S 2007-03-10, 7:33 am |
| Kent Friis wrote:
> Den Fri, 09 Mar 2007 12:56:29 -0600 skrev Dave S:
>
> What's the difference?
>
> If you read my post you replied to, you would see that answering
> netiquette style (reply below quote) works best with the cursor starting
> at the top.
>
> And AFAIK, those who top post start with the cursor at the top too.
>
> /Kent
I wasn't responding to "what works best"; I was responding to your
statement that OE gives you no choice.
As you can see from my two messages on this topic, I am capable of
responding below or above. I am most likely to follow the timeline of
the message I am responding to.
My reading preference is top posting, because I will have already read
the preceding messages to get the context, and don't need to re-read it
in each and every subsequent message. And if I have to use several more
keystrokes to get to the bottom of any message to read the latest
contribution, that is going to irritate me.
Dave S.
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| Kent Friis 2007-03-10, 7:33 am |
| Den Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:17:21 -0600 skrev Dave S:
> Kent Friis wrote:
>
> I wasn't responding to "what works best"; I was responding to your
> statement that OE gives you no choice.
I never said that OE gives no choice, I said that OE does exactly
like it should (Not including the help file).
> My reading preference is top posting, because I will have already read
> the preceding messages to get the context, and don't need to re-read it
> in each and every subsequent message.
I don't read the entire usenet the same day, and thus I prefer to
have a bit of context. Sure I might have read the question already,
but if that was yesterday, I have no idea what a topposter is
answering "yes" or "no" to. And to figure that out, I would need to
scroll down to read the question, then back up to read the answer. *If*
I can even find out which question, as often posts have more than one
question, and not answering under the question one is answering makes
it impossible to see which of them was actually answered.
/Kent
--
"So there I was surrounded by all these scary creatures
They were even scarier than what Microsoft call features"
- C64Mafia: Forbidden Forest (Don't Go Walking Slow).
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| Carl Heinz 2007-03-10, 7:33 am |
| The thread is about trimming posts, NOT about top posting.
The top posting argument has been with us since netiquette first evolved and
will continue. My method for top posting is the snip everything else.
The request to trim is valid. Let's leave it at that.
Carl
--
Carl Heinz
cfheinz57@charter.net
(Remove number)
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| Dave S 2007-03-10, 7:33 am |
| So, Carl Heinz, you prefer to make a comment about your method of top
posting, and then state your preference for no one to respond to that
comment?
A bit like having a conversation with yourself, isn't it.
Or like making a pronouncement, rather than engaging in dialog.
Well, this is just my observation; no need to respond.
Dave S.
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| Steve Calvin 2007-03-10, 7:33 am |
| Joel wrote:
> Sure thing.
1 blocked
--
Steve
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| Steve Calvin 2007-03-10, 7:33 am |
| Dave S wrote:
> Mozilla Thunderbird gives the user the option.
> In "Tools","Account Settings","Composition and Addressing" there is the
> option to "Start my reply above the quote" or "Start my reply below the
> quote".
>
> Dave S.
>
> Kent Friis wrote:
>
2 blocked
--
Steve
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| Frank Tabor 2007-03-10, 7:33 am |
| On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:15:32 +0000, Pod wrote:
>
> I use Outlook Express as my newsreader which places the curser at the
> top of the posts so can understand why so many people (including me if I
> forget) top post. The Help file for OE says that to reply to a message,
> click reply, type the reply & send to the group; it says nothing about
> moving the curser to the end; so unless ones is used to netiquette
> anyone using OE will top post.
Beginning your post at the top because that's where the cursor is, is
like shitting in your pants because that's where your XXXXXXX is.
--
Frank Tabor
Consider well the proportions of things. It is better to be a young June-
bug
than an old bird of paradise.
-- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar"
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| Dave S 2007-03-10, 7:33 am |
| Steve Calvin wrote:
> Dave S wrote:
>
> 2 blocked
>
Shouldn't that be 3 now?
Oh, well, perhaps you're using that awful version of Netscape.
Dave S.
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| Mathias Körber 2007-03-10, 7:33 am |
| Steve Calvin wrote:
> Other than being extremely poor usenet etiquette, keeping
> 400 lines of prior text and 7 others posts make things VERY
> difficult and painful to view. Especially to see a one or
> two line comment.
While I heartily agree, I woudl like to point out the QuoteCollapse
extension for Thunderbird, which can be set to automatically collapse
all quoted paragraphs to one line, and selectively expanding each as one
needs. That way one can see the new text much easier..
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Frank Tabor <ftabor@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:15:32 +0000, Pod wrote:
>
>
>
> Beginning your post at the top because that's where the cursor is, is
> like shitting in your pants because that's where your XXXXXXX is.
Hahaha it's very good example <bg>
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| Kent Friis 2007-03-10, 7:33 am |
| Den Fri, 09 Mar 2007 15:17:06 -0800 skrev Carl Heinz:
> The thread is about trimming posts, NOT about top posting.
>
> The top posting argument has been with us since netiquette first evolved and
> will continue. My method for top posting is the snip everything else.
What is the advantage of top posting and snipping everything else,
as comparet to bottom posting and snipping everything else?
/Kent
--
"So there I was surrounded by all these scary creatures
They were even scarier than what Microsoft call features"
- C64Mafia: Forbidden Forest (Don't Go Walking Slow).
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| John Richards 2007-03-10, 7:33 am |
| "Pod" <pod@eldorado.net> wrote in message news:7a6dnfTrsv6nC2z
YnZ2dnUVZ8tOmnZ2d@bt
.com...
>
> I use Outlook Express as my newsreader which places the curser at the top of
> the posts so can understand why so many people (including me if I forget)
> top post. The Help file for OE says that to reply to a message, click
> reply, type the reply & send to the group; it says nothing about moving the
> curser to the end; so unless ones is used to netiquette anyone using OE will
> top post.
Since XP SP2, OE has had a configurable option to place the cursor
and sig at the bottom. Vista's version has that option also.
Myself, I use whatever custom a given thread already has. Switching
the posting custom in mid thread is most confusing.
--
John Richards
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| Steve Calvin 2007-03-10, 7:33 am |
| Mathias Körber wrote:
> Steve Calvin wrote:
>
> While I heartily agree, I woudl like to point out the QuoteCollapse
> extension for Thunderbird, which can be set to automatically collapse
> all quoted paragraphs to one line, and selectively expanding each as one
> needs. That way one can see the new text much easier..
>
>
THANK YOU!! I've used TB since it came out and never saw
that extension. <bowing for the tip>
--
Steve
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| Elmo P. Shagnasty 2007-03-10, 12:34 pm |
| Absolutely.
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| Dave S 2007-03-10, 10:33 pm |
| Mathias Körber wrote:
> While I heartily agree, I woudl like to point out the QuoteCollapse
> extension for Thunderbird, which can be set to automatically collapse
> all quoted paragraphs to one line, and selectively expanding each as one
> needs. That way one can see the new text much easier..
Many thanks for that information.
I've installed it and like it very much.
Dave S.
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| 4MLA1FN 2007-03-11, 10:33 am |
| On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 08:49:10 +0800, Mathias Körber
<mathias@koerber.org> wrote:
> ...QuoteCollapse extension for Thunderbird...
cool! is there such an option for agent? like the OP, i find full
quoting quite annoying. maybe i should switch to TB; i have for
email.
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| Alan White 2007-03-11, 10:33 am |
| On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:54:19 -0400, 4MLA1FN <eff1fan@yahoo.com> wrote:
>cool! is there such an option for agent?
Yes, just highlight the text you want to quote.
--
Alan White
Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent.
Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, overlooking Lochs Long and Goil in Argyll, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.gt-britain.co.uk/weather
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| Steve Calvin 2007-03-11, 10:33 pm |
| Alan White wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:54:19 -0400, 4MLA1FN <eff1fan@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Yes, just highlight the text you want to quote.
>
I think that Mathias was asking if there is an option for
Agent that will automatically compress all of the 4000 lines
of quoted text so that you don't have to wade through it to
see the "Thanks" comment.
I don't use agent so I can't answer the question but the
extension for thunderbird is a goldmine of a find. Thanks to
the poster who posted it!
--
Steve
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| Alan White 2007-03-12, 7:33 am |
| On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:38:29 -0400, 4MLA1FN <eff1fan@yahoo.com> wrote:
>okay, i'm gonna try TB until i find out if agent has that option.
Agent doesn't.
--
Alan White
Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent.
Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, overlooking Lochs Long and Goil in Argyll, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.gt-britain.co.uk/weather
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| Jack Erbes 2007-03-12, 10:33 am |
| Dave S wrote:
<snip>
> Perhaps I don't understand "phantom messages" in the same way as the
> author of that extension, but there remain two threads in
> sci.geo.satellite.nav that show none of the messages in bold (as
> unread), I have set that newsgroup to show me "threads with unread", yet
> they remain on display. They are:
>
> OT: Finding a house location?
> GPS unit for New Zealand
>
> I have clicked on "Remove 'Phantom' messages" with no effect.
>
> I should probably be asking this question in some Thunderbird forum, but
> since you brought it up, Jack, do you see them as well?
>
> Dave S.
I see the two threads you asked about as read (they are there if I go
look for them). With my settings, I see any accounts with unread emails
or unread newsgroup posts as bold until I go and read the unread stuff.
Then the bolding disappears.
My news server checks for (and downloads for off line reading) any new
posts on five newsgroups when I start TB. It will do it again each time
I collapse and then expand the listing of the newsgroups.
My issue with phantom messages was that if I collapsed and expanded the
newsgroup display it would often show unread posts on one or more
groups. When it did that the group name would be bolded and the number
of unread posts would be shown in parens too. But when I clicked on a
group with unread posts, the unread posts would not be there and the
number of unread posts would go away. There would be nothing unread to
read. And the behavior would repeat if I collapsed and expanded the
newsgroups listing again. Those are what I assumed to phantom posts and
that is the behavior that has stopped with ThunderPlunger.
Jack
--
Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA (jackerbes at adelphia dot net)
(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine dot com)
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| Dave S 2007-03-12, 10:33 am |
| Jack Erbes wrote:
> Dave S wrote:
> <snip>
>
> I see the two threads you asked about as read (they are there if I go
> look for them). With my settings, I see any accounts with unread emails
> or unread newsgroup posts as bold until I go and read the unread stuff.
> Then the bolding disappears.
>
> My news server checks for (and downloads for off line reading) any new
> posts on five newsgroups when I start TB. It will do it again each time
> I collapse and then expand the listing of the newsgroups.
>
> My issue with phantom messages was that if I collapsed and expanded the
> newsgroup display it would often show unread posts on one or more
> groups. When it did that the group name would be bolded and the number
> of unread posts would be shown in parens too. But when I clicked on a
> group with unread posts, the unread posts would not be there and the
> number of unread posts would go away. There would be nothing unread to
> read. And the behavior would repeat if I collapsed and expanded the
> newsgroups listing again. Those are what I assumed to phantom posts and
> that is the behavior that has stopped with ThunderPlunger.
>
> Jack
>
OK, thanks, Jack.
It could well be that the messages that won't go away for me are caused
by my news server.
Having looked through the bug reports on TB, I don't see much hope there.
Dave S.
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| 4MLA1FN 2007-03-12, 12:33 pm |
| On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:38:29 -0400, 4MLA1FN <eff1fan@yahoo.com> wrote:
>okay, i'm gonna try TB until i find out if agent has that option.
well, i tried TB. i'm a big fan of TB but for news, it was a bad
idea, at least for me. ymmv. maybe its my computer, but TB seems
unable to efficiently handle large groups; e.g. > 100k headers. i
subscribed to rec.auto.sports.f1 and pulled down all 216k headers.
egads. cpu pegged at 100%; clicking the "stop" button doesn't stop
it. it takes forever to download the headers. (when i do the same in
agent, cpu load is around 25% and all headers are down in about 2
minutes.) once all headers are loaded, TB is sluggish to switch from
the newgroup to my regular mail folder. it doesn't appear possible to
delete multiple headers at once (e.g. to delete headers before 2006).
at least you can't do what you would with email (select a range and
'del').
i'm headed back to agent. i've put up with full-quoters for ~15+
years; i guess i'll survive until agent is "fixed".
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| 4MLA1FN <eff1fan@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 08:49:10 +0800, Mathias Körber
> <mathias@koerber.org> wrote:
>
>
> cool! is there such an option for agent? like the OP, i find full
> quoting quite annoying. maybe i should switch to TB; i have for
> email.
Unless I am in your killfile (I won't mind a bit) but like I have
mentioned in earlier message that Agent has always have option to quote the
MARKED area, and it started with the very earlier Agent over a decade ago.
Just hi-lite the area you want to quote and it will quote that specific
area
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| Steve Calvin <calvins@optonline.net> wrote:
> Alan White wrote:
> I think that Mathias was asking if there is an option for
> Agent that will automatically compress all of the 4000 lines
> of quoted text so that you don't have to wade through it to
> see the "Thanks" comment.
I don't think there is such option. And to me I just use the "DEL"
feature <bg>
> I don't use agent so I can't answer the question but the
> extension for thunderbird is a goldmine of a find. Thanks to
> the poster who posted it!
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| Kent Friis 2007-03-12, 12:33 pm |
| Den Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:30:22 -0500 skrev Joel:
> 4MLA1FN <eff1fan@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Unless I am in your killfile (I won't mind a bit) but like I have
> mentioned in earlier message that Agent has always have option to quote the
> MARKED area, and it started with the very earlier Agent over a decade ago.
And that's still not what QuoteCollapse does, and thus what Mathias
asked about.
/Kent
--
"So there I was surrounded by all these scary creatures
They were even scarier than what Microsoft call features"
- C64Mafia: Forbidden Forest (Don't Go Walking Slow).
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| 4MLA1FN 2007-03-12, 3:33 pm |
| On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:30:22 -0500, Joel <Joel@NoSpam.plz> wrote:
> ...Just hi-lite the area you want to quote...
i think you're missing the point. there is no gun held to the head of
a poster that'll force them to use this feature in agent. hence, the
only option for a burdened reader is to have a feature in their news
reader that will just collapse any quoted text and show only the
response. (of course, if someone is a top-poster, then it doesn't
matter how much is quoted. but for bottom-posting, it's a PITA to
scroll pages of quoted text to get the response.)
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| "Steve Calvin" <calvins@optonline.net> schreef in bericht
news:ME_Hh.3502$BF4.847@newsfe12.lga...
> Other than being extremely poor usenet etiquette, keeping
Etc, Etc.....
Sorry Steve, but this message is off topic in this Group.
--
Peter
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| Steve Calvin 2007-03-12, 3:33 pm |
| Pjotr wrote:
> "Steve Calvin" <calvins@optonline.net> schreef in bericht
> news:ME_Hh.3502$BF4.847@newsfe12.lga...
> Etc, Etc.....
> Sorry Steve, but this message is off topic in this Group.
> --
> Peter
>
>
Given that it as to do with the workings of this group,
you're complaint is invalid.
--
Steve
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| 4MLA1FN 2007-03-12, 3:33 pm |
| On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:39:38 +0100, "Pjotr"
<gps.eilandgasten.NOSPAM@REMOVEhccnet.nl> wrote:
>...this message is off topic in this Group.
let's see. 50 responses, no flames, no foul language, useful
information has been dessiminated, a few good jokes in there (the
underpants joke). it may be off topic, but it's clearly welcomed.
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| Len Philpot 2007-03-12, 10:33 pm |
| On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:52:05 -0500, Jack Erbes wrote:
> The Firefox/Thunderbird combo is approaching perfection as near as I can
> tell, good stuff!
I like and use both, albeit TBird only for email. I used to use it for
usenet, but it lost out to Dialog. IMO, FF/TB *would* be perfect if only
their UIs weren't written in XUL. It /really/ drags performance down and
other alternatives are available (WxWidgets, GTK, etc.).
--
---- Len Philpot -------- l e n @ p h i l p o t . o r g (no spaces)
------- ><> ------------- http://pages.suddenlink.net/lenphilpot/
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| 4MLA1FN <eff1fan@yahoo.com> wrote:
<snip>
> i'm headed back to agent. i've put up with full-quoters for ~15+
> years; i guess i'll survive until agent is "fixed".
I have never tried TB to know what it looks like, but I like Agent's
Ctrl-Tab feature and few others. And I just use Agent for text so it =
isn't
so bad.
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| 4MLA1FN <eff1fan@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:30:22 -0500, Joel <Joel@NoSpam.plz> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> i think you're missing the point. there is no gun held to the head of
> a poster that'll force them to use this feature in agent. hence, the
> only option for a burdened reader is to have a feature in their news
> reader that will just collapse any quoted text and show only the
> response. (of course, if someone is a top-poster, then it doesn't
> matter how much is quoted. but for bottom-posting, it's a PITA to
> scroll pages of quoted text to get the response.)
I have never seen that feature to know how handy it may be, but about
reading only the reply part not the original then topper would be fine.
Except here most of the times I have to read the original (quoted part) =
to
have some idea what the reply is saying.
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| Mathias Körber 2007-03-16, 12:33 pm |
| Mathias Körber wrote:
> While I heartily agree, I woudl like to point out the QuoteCollapse
> extension for Thunderbird, which can be set to automatically collapse
> all quoted paragraphs to one line, and selectively expanding each as one
> needs. That way one can see the new text much easier..
and it gets even better in conjunction with: QuoteColors :-)
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| Steve Calvin 2007-03-16, 12:33 pm |
| Mathias Körber wrote:
> Mathias Körber wrote:
>
> and it gets even better in conjunction with: QuoteColors :-)
I looked for that extension and it doesn't show up. You
happen to have a url?
--
Steve
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| Steve Calvin 2007-03-16, 3:33 pm |
| Steve Calvin wrote:
> Mathias Körber wrote:
>
> I looked for that extension and it doesn't show up. You happen to have a
> url?
>
Nevermind - found it. For others who may look it's Quote
Colors vs QuoteColors. A nit, but it makes a difference.
--
Steve
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| Steve Calvin <calvins@optonline.net> wrote:
> Brian K wrote:
>
>
> I am even less tolerant of top posting than I am of
> non-snippers....
I never like hearing answer before question, so the toppers often end up
in my kill-file
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| If I have to scroll to the bottom to read an answer....it to goes to my
kill-file
"Joel" <Joel@NoSpam.plz> wrote in message
news:4m53v2dct0esnap
e71jcmhhauiihm2nosf@
4ax.com...
> Steve Calvin <calvins@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>
> I never like hearing answer before question, so the toppers often end up
> in my kill-file
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| Kent Friis 2007-03-16, 3:33 pm |
| Den Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:46:30 -0400 skrev MikeG:
> If I have to scroll to the bottom to read an answer....it to goes to my
> kill-file
Then please move over to the microsoft.* groups, as you obviously
aren't interested in communicating with the rest of the internet.
Kent
--
"So there I was surrounded by all these scary creatures
They were even scarier than what Microsoft call features"
- C64Mafia: Forbidden Forest (Don't Go Walking Slow).
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| Steve Calvin 2007-03-16, 3:33 pm |
| MikeG wrote:
> If I have to scroll to the bottom to read an answer....it to goes to my
> kill-file
> "Joel" <Joel@NoSpam.plz> wrote in message
> news:4m53v2dct0esnap
e71jcmhhauiihm2nosf@
4ax.com...
>
>
ah then may I welcome myself to your killfile? You may
welcome yourself to mine.
--
Steve
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| Steve Calvin 2007-03-16, 3:33 pm |
| Kent Friis wrote:
> Den Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:46:30 -0400 skrev MikeG:
>
> Then please move over to the microsoft.* groups, as you obviously
> aren't interested in communicating with the rest of the internet.
>
> Kent
You are absolutely correct. That's why we're on USENET.
Learn the difference. This is a totally different place than
the internet. It was around LONG before any www crap and had
different accepted protocalls. You're the one who are
showing a total lack of understanding.
--
Steve
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| Kent Friis <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Den Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:46:30 -0400 skrev MikeG:
my=20[color=darkred]
>=20
> Then please move over to the microsoft.* groups, as you obviously
> aren't interested in communicating with the rest of the internet.
>=20
> Kent
Oops! sorry for some old messages got stuck in outbox, I was trying to
upgrade my reader to newer version and it reported it had some messages =
not
yet sent so I told it to go ahead to send them out.
Anyway, I already have MikeG in one of my kill-files so I didn't see the
original post <bg>
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| I. Care 2007-03-17, 4:33 am |
| In article <YXCKh.2495$w01.607@newsfe12.lga>, calvins@optonline.net
says...
> MikeG wrote:
> ah then may I welcome myself to your killfile? You may
> welcome yourself to mine.
>
>
I use MicroPlanet Gravity mostly and it defaults to bottom posting.
Microsoft IE and their followers appear to default to top posts.
When posting through Google-Groups doesn't the post end up bottom? I
also believe Internet Forums usually put answers at the bottom.
If both groups of posters trimmed their posts it would be much easier
for those that have been following the thread from the beginning anyway.
I tend to read a thread from top to bottom to get a feel for the
topic/conversation, then only read new posts in threads which I am
interested. I read the thread from top to bottom because trimming can
obscure the context of the discussion if I only read the most recent
post as it may only identify only one item in a complex discussion.
--
I. Care
Address fake until the SPAM goes away ;-}
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| Kent Friis 2007-03-17, 4:33 am |
| Den Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:19:31 -0400 skrev Steve Calvin:
> Kent Friis wrote:
>
> You are absolutely correct. That's why we're on USENET.
> Learn the difference. This is a totally different place than
> the internet. It was around LONG before any www crap and had
> different accepted protocalls. You're the one who are
> showing a total lack of understanding.
Usenet may have run over UUCP long ago, but has for most parts
(if not all) moved to the internet.
And where did "www crap" enter the discussion?
Kent
--
"So there I was surrounded by all these scary creatures
They were even scarier than what Microsoft call features"
- C64Mafia: Forbidden Forest (Don't Go Walking Slow).
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| Jack Erbes 2007-03-17, 4:33 am |
| Mathias Körber wrote:
> Mathias Körber wrote:
>
> and it gets even better in conjunction with: QuoteColors :-)
Colors? What do you mean colors? This is usenet, we are all supposed
to be reading ASCII text on a monochrome CRT monitor!
http://quotecolors.mozdev.org/
Jack
--
Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA (jackerbes at adelphia dot net)
(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine dot com)
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| Steve Calvin 2007-03-17, 4:33 am |
| Jack Erbes wrote:
> Colors? What do you mean colors? This is usenet, we are all supposed
> to be reading ASCII text on a monochrome CRT monitor!
>
> http://quotecolors.mozdev.org/
>
> Jack
>
Jack,
I think you misinterpreted a post of mine.
I wasn't saying that there's not progress. I was saying that
there is accepted and long standing protocols that should be
respected. They were adapted for reasons. I'm sure that I
don't need to post the classic example of why top posting is
hard to follow. You've been on the net for quite some time.
Accepted practices should be followed, not because they've
always been there, but because the majority of people who
have used this medium for years agree the it's for the best.
Does that mean that there's no realms for improvement?
Absolutely not. But top-posting isn't one of 'em. It just
makes following the conversation almost impossible. At best,
it'll piss you off, unless you're a "WWW'bie".
If I've misunderstood your intent here, then forgive me...
--
Steve
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| Jack Erbes 2007-03-17, 4:33 am |
| Steve Calvin wrote:
> Jack Erbes wrote:
>
> Jack,
>
> I think you misinterpreted a post of mine.
<snip>
> If I've misunderstood your intent here, then forgive me...
>
Steve,
I did not express myself clearly. Please forgive me for what I can now
see looks like a sarcastic comment aimed at your earlier posts. That
was not the intent at all.
It was an attempt at making a humorous comment about the colors thing.
Nothing more.
I loved usenet in ASCII text on a 10" monochrome CRT, it was so much
better than using a TV set for a monitor. I loved it even more on a 14"
amber monochrome CRT. But color was inevitable. And I love it as much
today, still in ASCII text, but on a display that is a little easier on
the eyes.
And I'm a staunch advocate of usenet and all of it protocols and
traditions. Including bottom posting and well trimmed posts.
Cheers,
Jack
--
Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA (jackerbes at adelphia dot net)
(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine dot com)
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| Mathias Körber 2007-03-17, 4:33 am |
| I am somewhat i both camps.
I don't like TOFU only, but often it is very helpful to
immediately see where a reply goes..
I have also repeatedly been told by business users that they like
TOFU and don't get usenet-style quoting and replies.
Compromise:
Quick 'executive summary´ answer on top.
- helps quickly decide if one wants to read the full mail (now)
- possibly is sufficient for quick decisions.
More detailed replies then interspersed with quoted lines
below.. In a business correspondence, that gets announced
(eg: see below for details).
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| Alan White 2007-03-17, 7:33 am |
| On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:19:31 -0400, Steve Calvin <calvins@optonline.net>
wrote:
>This is a totally different place than
>the internet.
To make life easy for my ageing brain I look on the internet as being
made up of three parts.
1. Usenet, where we are now, in a text-based, public environment with
some well established conventions (which are usually ignored to the
detriment of that environment).
2. E-mail, a text-based, private environment where there are some
conventions but nobody's too bothered.
3. The World-Wide Web, a graphic based, public environment where you can
get away with anything.
Is this helpful?
--
Alan White
Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent.
Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, overlooking Lochs Long and Goil in Argyll, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.gt-britain.co.uk/weather
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| Elmo P. Shagnasty 2007-03-17, 7:33 am |
| Absolutely. Hence the trim.
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| Steve Calvin 2007-03-17, 10:33 am |
| Alan White wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:19:31 -0400, Steve Calvin <calvins@optonline.net>
> wrote:
> To make life easy for my ageing brain I look on the internet as being
> made up of three parts.
You're aging brain seems to have thousands of times more
comprehension skills than most. ;-D
--
Steve
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| Alan White 2007-03-17, 10:33 am |
| On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 09:11:15 -0400, Steve Calvin <calvins@optonline.net>
wrote:
>You're aging brain seems to have thousands of times more
>comprehension skills than most. ;-D
:-)
--
Alan White
Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent.
Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, overlooking Lochs Long and Goil in Argyll, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.gt-britain.co.uk/weather
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| John Richards 2007-03-18, 4:33 am |
| "Joel" <Joel@NoSpam.plz> wrote in message news:4m53v2dct0esnap
e71jcmhhauiihm2nosf@
4ax.com...
> Steve Calvin <calvins@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>
> I never like hearing answer before question, so the toppers often end up
> in my kill-file
Your choice.
But if I don't see the new text on the first screen (without scrolling)
I go to the next post.
--
John Richards
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