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| Is it OK to leave my Nuvi 350 plugged in all the time in the car 12V.
cigarrete lighter? Will it damage the battery?
Thanks,
mac
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| Bruce. 2007-08-07, 10:33 pm |
| "Mac" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message news:GM9ui.334$HI1.328@newsfe02.lga...
> Is it OK to leave my Nuvi 350 plugged in all the time in the car 12V.
> cigarrete lighter? Will it damage the battery?
No problem with leaving it connected.
In my Honda, the cigarette lighter shuts off when the key is turned off and
the Nuvi powers down automattically.
Bruce.
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| Edwin Pawlowski 2007-08-07, 10:33 pm |
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"Mac" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message news:GM9ui.334$HI1.328@newsfe02.lga...
> Is it OK to leave my Nuvi 350 plugged in all the time in the car 12V.
> cigarrete lighter? Will it damage the battery?
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> Thanks,
> mac
Nope, but if you leave the car it is very tempting to steal the GPS.. . I
take mine with me.
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| Just to clarify, My truck cig. lighter stays "ON" all the time, regardless
of the truck is running or not. Is it still OK to leave it plugged in all
the time?
Thanks!
mac
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| Christen Fihl 2007-08-08, 7:33 am |
| No problem with the GPS itself, just make sure you do not empty the car
battery, as you use power, even when GPS turned off.
My Nüvi (660) is using about 200 mAmps when turned off but still
connected to lighter plug !
So it will empty my car battery within a few days.
--
Christen Fihl
http://HSPascal.Fihl.net/
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| Phil Hornby 2007-08-08, 10:33 am |
| "Christen Fihl" <look_at_HSPascal.fihl.net@nospam.plz> wrote in message
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> No problem with the GPS itself, just make sure you do not empty the car
> battery, as you use power, even when GPS turned off.
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> My Nüvi (660) is using about 200 mAmps when turned off but still connected
> to lighter plug !
> So it will empty my car battery within a few days.
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> Christen Fihl
> http://HSPascal.Fihl.net/
That sounds a lot, doesn't it? -- do you think it was still in the latter
stages of charging?
I was watching the current drain on my Nüvi 310 (using the inbuilt
diagnostics, rather than a meter). With a fully charged battery (backlight
off), it says battery charge=15mA. However, with a totally drained battery,
it initially draws over 800mA (from the back 'USB' port on the cradle-I know
the 660 arrangement is different). I'm quite intrigued that my PC's USB port
can actually supply 800mA ...
I came across a device (http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?ModuleNo=37962)
that prevents accessories from completely flattening a car battery. No doubt
similar devices are available from other suppliers.
--
http://GeePeeEx.googlepages.com
GPX Editor for Garmin Automotive Units
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| Bruce. 2007-08-08, 10:33 am |
| "Mac" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message news:G4hui.275$Gp6.191@newsfe05.lga...
> Just to clarify, My truck cig. lighter stays "ON" all the time,
> regardless of the truck is running or not. Is it still OK to leave it
> plugged in all the time?
It won't hurt the Nuvi but it will drain your car battery. How fast I don't
know. And you'll have to remember to manually power off the Nuvi each time
you park or it wll drain the car battery even faster.
Bruce.
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| Fred McKenzie 2007-08-08, 12:33 pm |
| In article <G4hui.275$Gp6.191@newsfe05.lga>, "Mac" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote:
> Just to clarify, My truck cig. lighter stays "ON" all the time, regardless
> of the truck is running or not. Is it still OK to leave it plugged in all
> the time?
Mac -
One thing I've noticed, is that voltage to my lighter outlet takes a dip
when I start the car. As a result, sometimes the Nuvi adapter's LED
lamp stays dark and the Nuvi doesn't come on. When that happens, I have
to pull the lighter plug out and push it back in, to get it to activate.
I read of others here that had the same problem last year when I bought
mine. It is possible that Garmin fixed the problem with more recent
adapters. You should discover whether your setup has this problem
fairly quickly. Mine has the problem about 20 percent of the time.
Fred
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| "Mac" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote:
> Is it OK to leave my Nuvi 350 plugged in all the time in the car 12V.
> cigarrete lighter? Will it damage the battery?
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> Thanks,
> mac
I don't think it will make much or any difference than plug-in whenever
you start your car. Cuz when you turn off the car the cigar-liter will have
no voltage.
The only problem that it may get stolen or the heat of sweatty sumer
months.
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| "Mac" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote:
> Just to clarify, My truck cig. lighter stays "ON" all the time, regardless
> of the truck is running or not. Is it still OK to leave it plugged in all
> the time?
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> Thanks!
> mac
In this case, turn it off because there is no need to roast the GPS.
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| Steve Wolf 2007-08-08, 3:33 pm |
| Let me ask the same question in another way to elicit a different response.
Will a Nuvi overcharge and damage the battery if left plugged in all the
time? Is the answer to this question model dependent?
One person worried about it getting overheated. Was that person
concerned about it overheating because of being plugged in? I'm not
interested in it overheating if left in the sun, I can guard against that.
I'm not really interesting in guesses. I'm not concerned about theft or
other ancillary issues. All I need to know is if Garmin made the
charging circuit in such a way as to prohibit battery overcharge and damage.
Steve
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| Unquestionably Confused 2007-08-08, 10:33 pm |
| Steve Wolf, wrote the following at or about 8/8/2007 3:17 PM:
> Let me ask the same question in another way to elicit a different response.
& #91;snip]
> I'm not really interesting in guesses. I'm not concerned about theft or
> other ancillary issues. All I need to know is if Garmin made the
> charging circuit in such a way as to prohibit battery overcharge and
> damage.
If you're not interested in guesses, may I suggest you ask the experts -
Garmin
Here's the link for support.
http://www.garmin.com/garmin/cms/si...supportcontacts
You can spend the time on hold reading the owner's manual which won't
answer your question other than to tell you that heat is harmful to the
lithium-ion cells or you can just log-in and e-mail them and ask the
question of the experts.
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| Steve Wolf 2007-08-08, 10:33 pm |
| I appreciate your suggestion about Garmin-supplied support but I asked
the question here to find a Garmin user.
Garmin is a good source. If I were looking for the information that
source could give, I'd contact that source. Alternatively, and why the
question is asked here, there may be someone with a unit in their car,
connected to power 24/7 and who removes it occasionally to put take it
on a trip or put it in a rental. I'll wait for that person.
Thanks, though. I'm in a user group looking for a user.
Steve
Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> Steve Wolf, wrote the following at or about 8/8/2007 3:17 PM:
> [snip]
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> If you're not interested in guesses, may I suggest you ask the experts -
> Garmin
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> Here's the link for support.
>
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> http://www.garmin.com/garmin/cms/si...supportcontacts
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> You can spend the time on hold reading the owner's manual which won't
> answer your question other than to tell you that heat is harmful to the
> lithium-ion cells or you can just log-in and e-mail them and ask the
> question of the experts.
>
>
>
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| Phil Hornby 2007-08-08, 10:33 pm |
| "Steve Wolf" <newsgroup@w8iz.com> wrote in message
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> Let me ask the same question in another way to elicit a different
> response.
>
> Will a Nuvi overcharge and damage the battery if left plugged in all the
> time? Is the answer to this question model dependent?
>
> One person worried about it getting overheated. Was that person concerned
> about it overheating because of being plugged in? I'm not interested in
> it overheating if left in the sun, I can guard against that.
>
> I'm not really interesting in guesses. I'm not concerned about theft or
> other ancillary issues. All I need to know is if Garmin made the charging
> circuit in such a way as to prohibit battery overcharge and damage.
>
> Steve
My Nüvi 310 sits on a cradle next to my PC, ( when it's not on the cradle in
the car). This cradle has a USB connection to its charging port, and so is
supplied with power 24x7. The Nüvi itself is normally powered off (because I
don't know if LCD displays have a finite lifespan). It appears to go into a
trickle-charge mode and normally says "Battery Charging Complete" (very
dimly).
The Nüvi 310 diagnostics seem to know the exact state of the battery
(charging current, capacity remaining, charging cycles completed etc), so it
appears to have a reasonably sophisticated charging circuit.
None of this represents knowledge of course, just observation...
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| Steve Wolf 2007-08-08, 10:33 pm |
| And that answers the question! At least for that Nuvi. My older Garmin
and my new Forerunner 305 seem to have made the same allowances for
proper battery maintenance. It appear true across the line.
Thanks!
Phil Hornby wrote:
> My Nüvi 310 sits on a cradle next to my PC, ( when it's not on the cradle in
> the car). This cradle has a USB connection to its charging port, and so is
> supplied with power 24x7. The Nüvi itself is normally powered off (because I
> don't know if LCD displays have a finite lifespan). It appears to go into a
> trickle-charge mode and normally says "Battery Charging Complete" (very
> dimly).
> The Nüvi 310 diagnostics seem to know the exact state of the battery
> (charging current, capacity remaining, charging cycles completed etc), so it
> appears to have a reasonably sophisticated charging circuit.
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| Christen Fihl 2007-08-09, 4:33 am |
| A lot, yes.
And after a few days, charging should have seased anyway ;-)
I have now installed about 40 units this way so far, but only a few does
now start on a regular basis, so no real problem with those. But flat
cars has shown up.
I know the battery-saver protection, thanks.
It looks like the GPS display is simply turned off, but all other is
still running.
Maybe even the GPS part is active (making instant ready), but this I
have not though about before now, so that needs another test some day.
--
Christen Fihl
http://HSPascal.Fihl.net/
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| Phil Hornby 2007-08-09, 10:33 am |
| "Phil Hornby" <Phil.Hornby@nospam.org> wrote in message
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> I was watching the current drain on my Nüvi 310 (using the inbuilt
> diagnostics, rather than a meter). With a fully charged battery (backlight
> off), it says battery charge=15mA. However, with a totally drained
> battery, it initially draws over 800mA (from the back 'USB' port on the
> cradle-I know the 660 arrangement is different). I'm quite intrigued that
> my PC's USB port can actually supply 800mA ...
I was curious if the diagnostics figures were correct, so I dug my meter out
and took some measurements:
Nüvi 310 (battery charging state='trickle', 15mA - according to
diagnostics),
powered-off, display="Battery Charging Complete"
Current (measured between 12V source and car charger) = 70-75mA.
(With Nüvi unplugged, Red LED draws 16mA)
StreetPilot C510 (battery charging state='suspend' - according to
diagnostics)
Current (measured between 12V source and car charger) = 60-65mA.
(No led on this 'charger', current=0mA when Streetpilot unplugged).
(This is the same charger as the Nüvi 6xx / Zümo. I'm not convinced there's
actually anything much inside it, because the Streetpilot diags. shows
External Voltage as 14.6V (was a transformer, not a car battery). (Nüvi 3xx
diags. show External Voltage as 4.6V)
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| Christen Fihl 2007-08-09, 10:33 pm |
| My Nüvi is supplied from cigar lighter plug. I think you talk about USB
plug charging.
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Christen Fihl
http://HSPascal.Fihl.net/
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| Christen Fihl 2007-08-09, 10:33 pm |
| I did some testing again.
My Nüvi 660FM uses at all times between 100 and 200 mAmps.
When turned on, it uses 100 mA + light intensity in procent * 100,
makine 100 mA on low light and 200 on max backlight.
When turned off, it still uses 100 mA (not 200 as i said first)
When connection (and meassurement) is through cigar lighter plug, not
using the supplied usb charger.
--
Christen Fihl
http://HSPascal.Fihl.net/
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| Holger Issle 2007-08-10, 3:33 pm |
| On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 23:03:50 +0200, "Christen Fihl" wrote:
> When turned off, it still uses 100 mA (not 200 as i said first)
You can leave it running all time, but make sure your battery does not
get drained - it will fail pretty quick since automotive batteries are
optimized for short high current, not for long last small (up to
complete drain) current.
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Ciao,
Holger (GUS-KOTAL, GUS#1100)
90-92 Honda CB400 10 Mm | 93-95 Yamaha TDM 850 26 Mm
95-97 KTM 620 LC4 13 Mm | seit 97 BMW R1100GS 50 Mm (Die Renndrecksau!)
cu @ http://www.issle.de
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| DougSlug 2007-08-11, 3:33 pm |
| "Phil Hornby" <Phil.Hornby@nospam.org> wrote in message
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> I was watching the current drain on my Nüvi 310 (using the inbuilt
> diagnostics, rather than a meter). With a fully charged battery (backlight
> off), it says battery charge=15mA. However, with a totally drained
> battery, it initially draws over 800mA (from the back 'USB' port on the
> cradle-I know the 660 arrangement is different). I'm quite intrigued that
> my PC's USB port can actually supply 800mA ...
The built-in diagnostics on the 310...is such a feature available for the
350/360 models? How does one access the diagnostic display?
- Doug
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| Bruce. 2007-08-11, 10:33 pm |
| "DougSlug" <twinular@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> The built-in diagnostics on the 310...is such a feature available for the
> 350/360 models? How does one access the diagnostic display?
From the main screen, hold the time in the upper right corner for 15
seconds. That brings up the diagnostics. Then use Next to step through the
pages.
Bruce.
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| DougSlug 2007-08-11, 10:33 pm |
| "Bruce." <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> "DougSlug" <twinular@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> From the main screen, hold the time in the upper right corner for 15
> seconds. That brings up the diagnostics. Then use Next to step through
> the pages.
>
> Bruce.
Cool! Thanks, Bruce. Any other undocumented features/hacks, etc.?
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| Bruce. 2007-08-11, 10:33 pm |
| "DougSlug" <twinular@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> Cool! Thanks, Bruce. Any other undocumented features/hacks, etc.?
Well, let's see, I can think of 2 more.
From the main screen, View Map -> touch Speed (lower left) -> hold the speed
gauge for 10 seconds.
From powered off, holding the upper left hand corner (at least 10 seconds)
while powering on will put you in Maintenance Mode.
Bruce.
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| Meebers 2007-08-12, 10:33 pm |
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"Bruce." <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> From the main screen, View Map -> touch Speed (lower left) -> hold the
> speed gauge for 10 seconds.
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Tried the lower left....Overall Avg=272mh, Moving Avg 289mh, and Max speed
548mh....Oh!!... tried it on a commercial flight..I guess I should "reset
the trip" ;0)[color=darkred]
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| Bruce. 2007-08-12, 10:33 pm |
| "Meebers" <Ionlywork@home.com> wrote in message
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> Tried the lower left....Overall Avg=272mh, Moving Avg 289mh, and Max speed
> 548mh....Oh!!... tried it on a commercial flight..I guess I should "reset
> the trip" ;0)
It was either a flight or you really deserve a speeding ticket! :-)
Bruce.
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| On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:50:22 -0500, "Bruce." <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
>"DougSlug" <twinular@optonline.net> wrote in message
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>From the main screen, hold the time in the upper right corner for 15
>seconds. That brings up the diagnostics. Then use Next to step through the
>pages.
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>Bruce.
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Neat tip. Thanks.
Do you know of a way to make any of the settings permanent in those pages? I
tried to change the backlight from 100% to 90%, but I don't see how to save it?
Maybe it's just for testing?
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| Bruce. 2007-08-17, 10:33 pm |
| "Mark" < bababooie@mailinator
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> Neat tip. Thanks.
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> Do you know of a way to make any of the settings permanent in those pages?
> I
> tried to change the backlight from 100% to 90%, but I don't see how to
> save it?
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> Maybe it's just for testing?
Sorry, no I don't. I've read before the brightness setting on that screen
isn't permanent. But why not decrease the brightness in the usual settings
instead of the diagnostic screens?
Bruce.
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| On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:47:39 -0500, "Bruce." <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
>"Mark" < bababooie@mailinator
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>Sorry, no I don't. I've read before the brightness setting on that screen
>isn't permanent. But why not decrease the brightness in the usual settings
>instead of the diagnostic screens?
Yes, I can do it that way I suppose. I just like the idea of being able to
"fine tune" it.
I love playing with these back-door tips. I just hope I don't screw it up!
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