Garmin GPS - Garmin Bait-and-Switch

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Garmin Bait-and-Switch

DavidGRAYsPeopleFINDER.com

2008-01-10, 7:33 am

I purchased a Garmin c330 from Walmart for $180
Gramen wanted to sell me an updated map for $70
.....the implication is that to make the product funcional
.........i needed the more recent map
this is BAIT-AND-SWITCH
.......very illegal in Texas

I returned it to Walmart
....... Walmart said they would just toss it in the dumster
............very wierd

Anyhow for $20 more you can get a nuvi 200W at costco.com
...... which has the most recent map

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Elmo P. Shagnasty

2008-01-10, 7:33 am

In article < 4785fd60$0$4962$4c36
8faf@roadrunner.com>,
" DavidGRAYsPeopleFIND
ER.com" <News at DavidGRAYsPeopleFIND
ER.com>
wrote:

> I purchased a Garmin c330 from Walmart for $180
> Gramen wanted to sell me an updated map for $70
> ....the implication is that to make the product funcional
> ........i needed the more recent map
> this is BAIT-AND-SWITCH
> ......very illegal in Texas

How is it bait and switch?

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Edwin Pawlowski

2008-01-10, 7:33 am

" DavidGRAYsPeopleFIND
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>I purchased a Garmin c330 from Walmart for $180
> Gramen wanted to sell me an updated map for $70
> ....the implication is that to make the product funcional
> ........i needed the more recent map
> this is BAIT-AND-SWITCH
> ......very illegal in Texas
>
> I returned it to Walmart
> ...... Walmart said they would just toss it in the dumster
> ...........very wierd
>
> Anyhow for $20 more you can get a nuvi 200W at costco.com
> ..... which has the most recent map

Did you register the c330? If so you'd have gotten a free upgrade map, but
it would have still worked with the old one. Get your fact before making
accusations.

Spam Not Wanted Here

2008-01-10, 12:33 pm

I can see how this person considers it to be
bait and switch. He buys this GPS on January
whatever, 2008, and fully expects it to have
the most recent, updated map as of the day
he buys it. When he gets it home, he finds out
that it requires at least a little work on his
part to bring it up to freshly-manufactured
standards. It's not HIS fault that he bought
the GPS with older mapping, rather, it's
Wal-Mart's fault because they advertised it
at such a rediculously attractive price so
as to co-erce buyers into buying something
they didn't know they were getting into. One
would think that a big-shelf reseller like
Wal-Mart would have fresh product straight from
the manufacturer with the latest software/firmware
installed, and that the rediculously low price
was a result of Wal-Mart's fantastic volume
buying power, not that they got a deal on
outdated merchandise. I kind of agree with the
guy that bait and switch tactics were used.
Even if the buyer got the new software for
free, it still requires time and minimal
effort to install, which was not part of the
deal this guy expected when he bought the unit.
If it were me buying the unit, I'd expect it to
have 2008 mapping installed since I was buying
it in 2008, and if they wanted to give me a free
upgrade, I'd want it to be 2009 mapping whenever
it comes available.

-No Name

> How is it bait and switch?
>
> You have no idea what you're talking about.
>
>

Michael Barrett

2008-01-10, 12:33 pm

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> Did you register the c330? If so you'd have gotten a free upgrade map,

David may just be "technology challenged".
It's true that there is very little in the box when you buy a Garmin GPS. I
recently acquired a Nuvi 270 and only "discovered" that there were updated
maps available when I went to the Garmin sites to check for updates.
You ALWAYS have to check for updates these days, whenever you buy any kind
of software driven technology. It would have been nice of Garmin to put a
BIG POINTER in their skimpy user guide but c'est la vie.
I'm sure that if the computer David used to send his complaint has not been
regularly or automatically updated by his operating system supplier, he
probably won't be able to use it mutch longer- after all, it started
downloading updates the minute he first plugged it in.

--
Commander Bob

Tom Stiller

2008-01-10, 12:33 pm

In article <MPG. 21f013467aae7f869896
b7@news.usenetserver.com>,
Spam Not Wanted Here <Empty.Field@ISPNull.com> wrote:

> I can see how this person considers it to be
> bait and switch. He buys this GPS on January
> whatever, 2008, and fully expects it to have
> the most recent, updated map as of the day
> he buys it. When he gets it home, he finds out
> that it requires at least a little work on his
> part to bring it up to freshly-manufactured
> standards. It's not HIS fault that he bought
> the GPS with older mapping, rather, it's
> Wal-Mart's fault because they advertised it
> at such a rediculously attractive price so
> as to co-erce buyers into buying something
> they didn't know they were getting into. One
> would think that a big-shelf reseller like
> Wal-Mart would have fresh product straight from
> the manufacturer with the latest software/firmware
> installed, and that the rediculously low price
> was a result of Wal-Mart's fantastic volume
> buying power, not that they got a deal on
> outdated merchandise. I kind of agree with the
> guy that bait and switch tactics were used.
> Even if the buyer got the new software for
> free, it still requires time and minimal
> effort to install, which was not part of the
> deal this guy expected when he bought the unit.
> If it were me buying the unit, I'd expect it to
> have 2008 mapping installed since I was buying
> it in 2008, and if they wanted to give me a free
> upgrade, I'd want it to be 2009 mapping whenever
> it comes available.

It's not bait-and-switch since the seller had the advertised merchandise
and, to the best of our knowledge, made no attempt to coerce the buyer
to buy a different product. If anything, it was bait-and-deliver.

--
Tom Stiller

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Howard Lester

2008-01-10, 12:33 pm

"Spam Not Wanted Here" wrote

>I can see how this person considers it to be
> bait and switch. He buys this GPS on January
> whatever, 2008, and fully expects it to have
> the most recent, updated map as of the day
> he buys it. When he gets it home, he finds out
> that it requires at least a little work on his
> part to bring it up to freshly-manufactured
> standards.

Bait and Switch involves luring in a customer to buy an advertised item at
an advertised price (the bait), then coercing the customer to buy something
else at a presumably higher price and higher profit margin (the switch). The
OP's scenario is not like that at all, but it's still an issue to take up
with Garmin in order to get the most recent maps to which he is entitled
with that product.

Elmo P. Shagnasty

2008-01-10, 12:33 pm

In article <ITshj.3286$vp3.1729@edtnps90>,
"Michael Barrett" <kalu@telus.net> wrote:

> David may just be "technology challenged".

David doesn't know what bait and switch is. He just throws it around to
describe any retail situation that doesn't suit his needs.

But beyond that, I agree that Garmin needs to fix this. Here's an idea:
Garmin should sell their boxes with no software on them at all and
unactivated until paid for at the cash register. At purchase time, at
the store, either the store or the customer can go up to a Garmin kiosk,
enter the "I bought this" code from the receipt, plug in the Garmin
device, and get THAT DAY'S maps.

From then on, it's business as usual. If you want updates, you go to
the web and follow the instructions and pay whatever.

But just like cell phones, there's no real reason for the Garmin stuff
to be able to be used right out of the box (to have any maps on them at
all).

Mortimer Schnerd, RN

2008-01-10, 3:33 pm

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> But beyond that, I agree that Garmin needs to fix this. Here's an idea:
> Garmin should sell their boxes with no software on them at all and
> unactivated until paid for at the cash register. At purchase time, at
> the store, either the store or the customer can go up to a Garmin kiosk,
> enter the "I bought this" code from the receipt, plug in the Garmin
> device, and get THAT DAY'S maps.
>
> From then on, it's business as usual. If you want updates, you go to
> the web and follow the instructions and pay whatever.

I like your idea a lot. I'm not offended that the GPS I bought came with the
older maps; only that the upgrade to bring it up to currency cost me $70. I
should have been allowed to have the current map that first time free. As it
is, I feel cheated.

I ended up just going with the old map and waiting until the newest map became
available, skipping a version. But I will say I have no good will towards
Garmin.

--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

Colin Wilson

2008-01-10, 3:33 pm

> Did you register the c330? If so you'd have gotten a free upgrade map, but
> it would have still worked with the old one. Get your fact before making
> accusations.

ISTR Gar(bage)mins' new map policy was that the maps that were
installed on a unit are all you are entitled to after purchse, and
that they had removed the free "upgrade" to the current version.

This happened at the same time as they XXXXed existing customers by no
longer offering a second "free" unlock.

John

2008-01-10, 10:33 pm

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>
>
> I like your idea a lot. I'm not offended that the GPS I bought came with
> the older maps; only that the upgrade to bring it up to currency cost me
> $70. I should have been allowed to have the current map that first time
> free. As it is, I feel cheated.
>
> I ended up just going with the old map and waiting until the newest map
> became available, skipping a version. But I will say I have no good will
> towards Garmin.
>
>
>
> --
> Mortimer Schnerd, RN
> mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com
>
I hope you're never my nurse, because you obviously can't (or won't) read
instructions. Go to Garmin's website, register your new GPS, get newest map
for free. It's not rocket science.

John

Edwin Pawlowski

2008-01-10, 10:33 pm

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote in message
>
>
> I like your idea a lot. I'm not offended that the GPS I bought came with
> the older maps; only that the upgrade to bring it up to currency cost me
> $70. I should have been allowed to have the current map that first time
> free. As it is, I feel cheated.
>
> I ended up just going with the old map and waiting until the newest map
> became available, skipping a version. But I will say I have no good will
> towards Garmin.

How long did you have the unit when the new map came out? I was able to get
a free upgrade, but I'd be PO'd if not after only a few weeks.

Carl Heinz

2008-01-10, 10:33 pm

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:20:42 -0000, Colin Wilson
< REMOVEEVERYTHINGBUTn
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EROSPAM.co.uk> wrote:

>
>ISTR Gar(bage)mins' new map policy was that the maps that were
>installed on a unit are all you are entitled to after purchse, and
>that they had removed the free "upgrade" to the current version.
>
>This happened at the same time as they XXXXed existing customers by no
>longer offering a second "free" unlock.

Interesting. When I regisered my new Streetpilot 7200, the registration
process notified my that there was a newer version to CN NA and ordered the
free upgrade for me.

I eliminated the impact of not getting a twofer on upgrades by just leaving my
76Cx at the older release. I just use it to help if I get lost while on foot
so the older map versions shouldn't be a problem. I also note that the
upgrades are now available for third party retailers at less than list. Might
take advantage of that when the time comes to upgrade the 7200 and the 2720.

Carl
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Colin Wilson

2008-01-10, 10:33 pm

> Interesting. When I regisered my new Streetpilot 7200, the registration
> process notified my that there was a newer version to CN NA and ordered the
> free upgrade for me.

Perhaps they "softened" their stance, but it was certainly mentioned
on the group at the time.

Carl Heinz

2008-01-10, 10:33 pm

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:28:17 -0000, Colin Wilson
< REMOVEEVERYTHINGBUTn
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>
>Perhaps they "softened" their stance, but it was certainly mentioned
>on the group at the time.

Or maybe they hardened it. As I recall, I registered the 7200 around
November.
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Carl Heinz

2008-01-10, 10:33 pm

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:24:22 -0800, Carl Heinz <cfheinz57@charter.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:28:17 -0000, Colin Wilson
>< REMOVEEVERYTHINGBUTn
ewsgroup@phoenixbbsZ
EROSPAM.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>Or maybe they hardened it. As I recall, I registered the 7200 around
>November.
Correction--registered it Oct 3.
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Mortimer Schnerd, RN

2008-01-10, 10:33 pm

John wrote:
> I hope you're never my nurse, because you obviously can't (or won't) read
> instructions. Go to Garmin's website, register your new GPS, get newest map
> for free. It's not rocket science.

You better hope I'm not your nurse. I'd be happy to break a cardiac needle in
your XXX just for being a schmuck. As for following directions, the first place
I went to when I got the 330 was their website. The latest map was
available.... for $70. I chose not to bite.

This was two years ago or so. Maybe they've changed their policies because of
customer complaints.

Have a nice day.

--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

John

2008-01-11, 10:33 am

But did you register the unit, or just go to the store? Different pages
with different results.

John

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> John wrote:
>
>
> You better hope I'm not your nurse. I'd be happy to break a cardiac
> needle in your XXX just for being a schmuck. As for following directions,
> the first place I went to when I got the 330 was their website. The
> latest map was available.... for $70. I chose not to bite.
>
> This was two years ago or so. Maybe they've changed their policies
> because of customer complaints.
>
> Have a nice day.
>
>
>
> --
> Mortimer Schnerd, RN
> mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com
>

noname

2008-01-13, 3:33 pm

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:06:49 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net>
wrote:

>
>" DavidGRAYsPeopleFIND
ER.com" <News at DavidGRAYsPeopleFIND
ER.com> wrote in
>message news:4785fd60$0$4962
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>
>Did you register the c330? If so you'd have gotten a free upgrade map, but
>it would have still worked with the old one. Get your fact before making
>accusations.
>
Get your straight
They are not updating the WALmart units becasue walmart bought them as
a discontinued item at fire sale prices when they bought garmin's
entire remaining stock. SO garmin wants approx 70 for the map if you
bought it from WalMart.

It does work just fine with the older maps but you may find some POI
out of date. or some roads missing. To be fair the new maps are still
missing some roads around here that are several years old.

I opted to return and buy the n200 with new maps for less. However the
200 seems a little flacky compared to the c330.
For some reason it thinks I am spinning around when I stop and
sometimes while Im driving.

Tip:

If you are going to buy from WalMart buy online. They are considerable
cheaper online. for example th n350 is like 309.00 online but 398.00
in store. It was a 128.00 difference the week before. BIG BIG savings
online on most GPS modes.

Elmo P. Shagnasty

2008-01-13, 3:33 pm

In article < 3tmko3l7nrg59f41rpjj
b3jtujhnn65bh8@4ax.com>,
noname <none@here.com> wrote:

> Tip:
>
> If you are going to buy from WalMart buy online. They are considerable
> cheaper online. for example th n350 is like 309.00 online but 398.00
> in store. It was a 128.00 difference the week before. BIG BIG savings
> online on most GPS modes.

But always check, because that's not ALWAYS the case. Well, maybe it is
with GPS and/or Garmin specifically, but don't count on it being
universally the case.

For example: I found a cell phone on walmart.com for $58, but it was
only $49 in stores.

Squat

2008-01-17, 7:33 am

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
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> In article <ITshj.3286$vp3.1729@edtnps90>,
> "Michael Barrett" <kalu@telus.net> wrote:
>
>
> David doesn't know what bait and switch is. He just throws it around to
> describe any retail situation that doesn't suit his needs.
>
> But beyond that, I agree that Garmin needs to fix this. Here's an idea:
> Garmin should sell their boxes with no software on them at all and
> unactivated until paid for at the cash register. At purchase time, at
> the store, either the store or the customer can go up to a Garmin kiosk,
> enter the "I bought this" code from the receipt, plug in the Garmin
> device, and get THAT DAY'S maps.
>
> From then on, it's business as usual. If you want updates, you go to
> the web and follow the instructions and pay whatever.
>
> But just like cell phones, there's no real reason for the Garmin stuff
> to be able to be used right out of the box (to have any maps on them at
> all).
Well, The base maps on the Garmin Etrex HCx are almost useless. It has no
street level detail of New York City and in planning an upcoming trip to LA
I found that it doesn't even have Santa Ana airport. (It does show LAX and
some local military airports so I know airports are shown.)
I received one for Christmas and found that I have to purchase a $120 map to
get any street level detail for North America. The term "Bait & Switch" is
used erroneously. The term "Deceptive Advertising" is a better fit.
Just a note, check their stock price, It fell from over $120 in November of
2007 to just over $60 per share now. Looks like the OP is not the only sour
on Garmin products.
S

David 01

2008-01-21, 12:33 pm

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:06:49 +0000, Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

> " DavidGRAYsPeopleFIND
ER.com" <News at DavidGRAYsPeopleFIND
ER.com> wrote
> in message news:4785fd60$0$4962
$4c368faf@roadrunner
.com...
>
> Did you register the c330? If so you'd have gotten a free upgrade map,
> but it would have still worked with the old one. Get your fact before
> making accusations.

Where did you get that information? That is 100% contrary to what Garmin
tells me.

The person I talked to at Garmin told me I should have known that since
the unit was so cheap that the maps would be out of date and that Garmin
would not supply new maps for free and that WalMart was aware that the
maps were out of date and would not be updated for free when they ordered
the units.

Edwin Pawlowski

2008-01-21, 10:33 pm

"David 01" <ifiwantspam@illask.org> wrote in message
>
> The person I talked to at Garmin told me I should have known that since
> the unit was so cheap that the maps would be out of date and that Garmin
> would not supply new maps for free and that WalMart was aware that the
> maps were out of date and would not be updated for free when they ordered
> the units.

Sounds like BS to me. NO, is sounds like they insulted you by saying "you
should have known". I'd try a different contact or email them from their
"contact" page on the web. Do they really think the part time WalMart clerk
is going to tell you that? Ask to talk to a supervisor.

Greg

2008-02-04, 10:33 pm

On Jan 17, 7:09=A0am, "Squat" <Sq...@yeahright.com> wrote:
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I have the same model and read the description before I bought it.
Says it comes with America's Basemap only.
Deceptive advertising? No !
But then it said it came with a 64 mg micro sd card included but came
with a 128 mg card instead. : )
No complaints here.

Edwin Pawlowski

2008-02-04, 10:33 pm

"Greg" <GREG2305@aol.com> wrote in message
But then it said it came with a 64 mg micro sd card included but came
with a 128 mg card instead. : )

Complain and demand they set it right. Don't put up with that corporate
greed! Send the 128 card back via registered mail.

Bad Idea

2008-02-05, 10:33 am

On Jan 10, 5:28=A0pm, Colin Wilson wrote:
>
> Perhaps they "softened" their stance, but it was certainly mentioned
> on the group at the time.

Right. And that's authoritative. You should sue both Garmin and "the
group".

Colin Wilson

2008-02-05, 10:33 pm

> > Perhaps they "softened" their stance, but it was certainly mentioned
> Right. And that's authoritative. You should sue both Garmin and "the
> group".

I wasn't talking about sueing anyone. Garmin can go XXXX themselves as
far as i'm concerned. I think you're mistaking my post with the one
originally claiming bait and switch tactics.

RSweeney

2008-02-09, 3:33 pm

"Colin Wilson" < REMOVEEVERYTHINGBUTn
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EROSPAM.co.uk> wrote
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>
> I wasn't talking about sueing anyone. Garmin can go XXXX themselves as
> far as i'm concerned. I think you're mistaking my post with the one
> originally claiming bait and switch tactics.

You need to understand the difference between a base map and a detail map.
Go to ebay, get a used Mapsource North American Metro map, load the areas of
your trip into your 128 MB card and you will know where every delicattessen
in NYC is.

Colin Wilson

2008-02-09, 10:33 pm

> You need to understand the difference between a base map and a detail map.
> Go to ebay, get a used Mapsource North American Metro map, load the areas of
> your trip into your 128 MB card and you will know where every delicattessen
> in NYC is.

Perhaps this might help...

a) i'm not the OP
b) i'm not in the US
c) i've got City Select Europe
d) my GPS doesn't use a card
e) even if it did, the CS maps are shit for waypoints

Squat

2008-02-11, 7:33 am

> I have the same model and read the description before I bought it.
> Says it comes with America's Basemap only.

OK, what the hell is a "Basemap"?
In reality, it is only a map of highways, not surface streets.
It doesn't even have current airports in it (Look up Santa Ana Airport in
Irvine CA, IT'S NOT THERE!)
They shoudl state that it comes with mpas showing 15% of the roads in the
USA, 90% of the airports and one or two National parks. (all for $369) .

In reality, it s nifty toy that is not useful unless you spend ANOTHER $120
for a COMPETE set of maps.

zydecogary

2008-02-11, 10:33 am

My n=FCvi 650 easily found John Wayne Orange County Airport in Santa
Ana, CA. Was this the airport to which you were referring?

Address:
18601 Airport Way
Santa Ana, CA 92707
(Which is in Irvine, CA)
See:
http://tinyurl.com/35ttaf

Close to:
N33.67906
W117.86116

Gary Hayman
Garmin GPS - Tricks, Tips, Work Arounds, Hints, Secrets and Ideas

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On Feb 11, 6:06=A0am, "Squat" <Sq...@yeahright.com> wrote:
>
> OK, what the hell is a "Basemap"?
> In reality, it is only a map of highways, not surface streets.
> It doesn't even have current airports in it (Look up Santa Ana Airport in
> Irvine CA, IT'S NOT THERE!)
> They shoudl state that it comes with mpas showing 15% of the roads in the
> USA, 90% of the airports and one or two National parks. (all for $369) .
>
> In reality, it s nifty toy that is not useful unless you spend ANOTHER $12=
0
> for a COMPETE set of maps.

Carl Heinz

2008-02-11, 10:33 am

On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 06:06:21 -0500, "Squat" <Squat@yeahright.com> wrote:

>
>OK, what the hell is a "Basemap"?
>In reality, it is only a map of highways, not surface streets.
>It doesn't even have current airports in it (Look up Santa Ana Airport in
>Irvine CA, IT'S NOT THERE!)
>They shoudl state that it comes with mpas showing 15% of the roads in the
>USA, 90% of the airports and one or two National parks. (all for $369) .
>
>In reality, it s nifty toy that is not useful unless you spend ANOTHER $120
>for a COMPETE set of maps.
>
Not all Garmins are created equal. Some come with Mapsource and detail maps
and some don't. This is reflected in their price.

The Garmin web site entries and those online GPS vendors I use have a "what's
in the box" section for each model.

I suspect that most of us who have done our pre-purchase research have
difficulty being sympathetic to those who don't.
--
Carl Heinz
cfheinz57@charter.net
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GREG2305

2008-02-12, 10:33 pm

On Feb 11, 6:06=EF=BF=BDam, "Squat" <Sq...@yeahright.com> wrote:
>
> OK, what the hell is a "Basemap"?
> In reality, it is only a map of highways, not surface streets.
> It doesn't even have current airports in it (Look up Santa Ana Airport in
> Irvine CA, IT'S NOT THERE!)
> They shoudl state that it comes with mpas showing 15% of the roads in the
> USA, 90% of the airports and one or two National parks. (all for $369) .
>
> In reality, it s nifty toy that is not useful unless you spend ANOTHER $12=
0
> for a COMPETE set of maps.

Perhpas they should call it a "basicmap" since that is what it is.
Much like buying car, the more options you want, the more you pay.

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