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The Saga of the Garmin Unlock Continues (Long)
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| Carl Heinz 2008-02-28, 10:34 pm |
| By now, nearly all of us are aware that you can no longer unlock more than one
Garmin device unless you purchase separate unlock codes for each.
As a bit of history, I presently use a 2720, a 7200, and a 76Cx. The 7200
came with it's own CN NA NT 2008 DVD. I have purchased a 2008 update for the
2720 and have acquied a third CN NA NT 2008 update DVD for the 76Cx.
The 76Cx has several previous versions of both CN NA NT, CN NA, CN Europe,
and CN Europe NT in my My.Garmin history.
When I attempted to unlock the 76Cx using the third DVD, I consistently got an
error using MapSource. When I attampted to unlock it using My.Garmin, I was
told that there were no updates available for the 76Cx.
Called Garmin. The technical rep thought it was strange and couldn't
determine the problem. I was then referred to Garmin Software Support. That
person couldn't determine the problem and confirmed that I had previously
unlocked earlier versions to that 76Cx. She also confirmed that the product
key for the third DVD had not yet been used. She said that she'd need to do
some research and call me back.
Several days passed and I found a phone message from Garmin and returned the
call. That Garmin representative said that the reason that I could not unlock
the third DVD was that the previous unlocks for the 76Cx had been second unit
unlocks. Since I had never purchased CN NA (not update) for the 76Cx, I would
not be able to install it. I would need to purchase a full copy of CN NA NT
for the 76Cx.
I then checked the available updates for the 2720 to see if it showed CN
Europe 2008 updates being available. It found now updates available. I
discussed this during a subsequent conversation with Garmin. (CN Europe had
oribinally been purchased and installed on a 2610 that I owned prior to the
2720.) I was told that the original CN Europe had been purchased for the 2610
and, although I've purchased subsequent updates for the 2720, I had not
purchased an original CN Europe for the 2720. I pointed out that I now longer
own the 2610 and that the 2720 replaced it. (A son-in-law now has the 2610
and I doubt that he has any interest in going to Europe).
So, I have to conclude that you can only purchase an update for a unit which
had it in the box or, if you purchase a software product and no longer have
the unit, you'll need to purchase another base copy for any replacement unit
for any map product which wasn't in the box.
How's this for an inducement to purchase any Garmin product that has no map
product in the box, or to purchase an additional map product and expect it to
carry over to a replacement?
I suspect that my days of upgrading to a new Garmin unit or to purchase
additional map products has just come the a screaching halt.
--
Carl Heinz
cfheinz57@charter.net
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| Alex Roytman 2008-02-29, 4:33 am |
| Yes it is very annoying and expensive. I have 2610 plus updated map and
shared its map with 76csx, and now I have nuvi 770 as well which looks like
can not be updated any more, plus CN Europe 9 which I installed on my 76csx
and now if I replace it with Colorado this super expensive map is LOST for
me! I also want to purchase a biking gps and I will need another full CN for
it. I also purchased bunch of Topo maps.
Just how much should we pay for this maps over and over again every time we
change a unit?
Why can't I transfer my license from old unit to a new one?!!! Changing from
76csx to Colorado will cost me the price of the unit plus CN USA and CN
Europe bound to it - another $400 why should it be so - it is unreasonable
The answer is the hell with Colorado - 76csh is good enough, the hell with
biking GPS - will stick with my 76csx
Let those new units rot on the shelves :-)
"Carl Heinz" <cfheinz57@charter.net> wrote in message
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> By now, nearly all of us are aware that you can no longer unlock more than
> one
> Garmin device unless you purchase separate unlock codes for each.
>
> As a bit of history, I presently use a 2720, a 7200, and a 76Cx. The 7200
> came with it's own CN NA NT 2008 DVD. I have purchased a 2008 update for
> the
> 2720 and have acquied a third CN NA NT 2008 update DVD for the 76Cx.
>
> The 76Cx has several previous versions of both CN NA NT, CN NA, CN
> Europe,
> and CN Europe NT in my My.Garmin history.
>
> When I attempted to unlock the 76Cx using the third DVD, I consistently
> got an
> error using MapSource. When I attampted to unlock it using My.Garmin, I
> was
> told that there were no updates available for the 76Cx.
>
> Called Garmin. The technical rep thought it was strange and couldn't
> determine the problem. I was then referred to Garmin Software Support.
> That
> person couldn't determine the problem and confirmed that I had previously
> unlocked earlier versions to that 76Cx. She also confirmed that the
> product
> key for the third DVD had not yet been used. She said that she'd need to
> do
> some research and call me back.
>
> Several days passed and I found a phone message from Garmin and returned
> the
> call. That Garmin representative said that the reason that I could not
> unlock
> the third DVD was that the previous unlocks for the 76Cx had been second
> unit
> unlocks. Since I had never purchased CN NA (not update) for the 76Cx, I
> would
> not be able to install it. I would need to purchase a full copy of CN NA
> NT
> for the 76Cx.
>
> I then checked the available updates for the 2720 to see if it showed CN
> Europe 2008 updates being available. It found now updates available. I
> discussed this during a subsequent conversation with Garmin. (CN Europe
> had
> oribinally been purchased and installed on a 2610 that I owned prior to
> the
> 2720.) I was told that the original CN Europe had been purchased for the
> 2610
> and, although I've purchased subsequent updates for the 2720, I had not
> purchased an original CN Europe for the 2720. I pointed out that I now
> longer
> own the 2610 and that the 2720 replaced it. (A son-in-law now has the
> 2610
> and I doubt that he has any interest in going to Europe).
>
> So, I have to conclude that you can only purchase an update for a unit
> which
> had it in the box or, if you purchase a software product and no longer
> have
> the unit, you'll need to purchase another base copy for any replacement
> unit
> for any map product which wasn't in the box.
>
> How's this for an inducement to purchase any Garmin product that has no
> map
> product in the box, or to purchase an additional map product and expect it
> to
> carry over to a replacement?
>
> I suspect that my days of upgrading to a new Garmin unit or to purchase
> additional map products has just come the a screaching halt.
> --
> Carl Heinz
> cfheinz57@charter.net
> (Remove number)
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| cfhughes@telefonica.net 2008-02-29, 7:33 am |
| Do Garmin still employ the guy who is alleged to have said, "TomTom,
what a stupid name for a gps - it will never catch on"?
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| Elmo P. Shagnasty 2008-02-29, 7:33 am |
| In article < njnes31lbn25mm831d7d
cmrpv5hv0rpcg7@4ax.com>,
Carl Heinz <cfheinz57@charter.net> wrote:
> I suspect that my days of upgrading to a new Garmin unit or to purchase
> additional map products has just come the a screaching halt.
These things are becoming disposable anyway.
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| TVNAV.com 2008-02-29, 10:33 am |
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"Alex Roytman" <nospam@domain.com> wrote in message
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> Yes it is very annoying and expensive. I have 2610 plus updated map and
> shared its map with 76csx, and now I have nuvi 770 as well which looks
> like can not be updated any more, plus CN Europe 9 which I installed on my
> 76csx and now if I replace it with Colorado this super expensive map is
> LOST for me! I also want to purchase a biking gps and I will need another
> full CN for it. I also purchased bunch of Topo maps.
>
> Just how much should we pay for this maps over and over again every time
> we change a unit?
> Why can't I transfer my license from old unit to a new one?!!!
You should properly thank the software thieves for that! Please give
credit where it is due.
--
Darrel Goheen
GPS@tvnav.com
http://www.tvnav.com
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| Carl Heinz 2008-02-29, 10:33 am |
| On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:25:12 -0600, "TVNAV.com" <GPS@tvnav.com> wrote:
> You should properly thank the software thieves for that! Please give
>credit where it is due.
Hi, Darrel-
Thanks for letting me rant at you.
A couple of additional thoughts-
1. The no update without an original install seems to effectively make the
single unlock policy retroactive.
2. The inability to be able to use an original install to a replacement
machine, to me, appears to be a new policy. This probably has no impact on
machines which have a map product "in the box". But, for me, effectively adds
to the cost it I want to upgrade the hardware to a new machine. Again, to me,
this is a breach of faith by Garmin and diminishes the value of the software
products I've already purchased without prior notice or compensation. Hmmm,
wonder of that's actionable.
Carl
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Carl Heinz
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| TVNAV.com 2008-02-29, 12:34 pm |
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"Carl Heinz" <cfheinz57@charter.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:25:12 -0600, "TVNAV.com" <GPS@tvnav.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi, Darrel-
>
> Thanks for letting me rant at you.
>
> A couple of additional thoughts-
>
> 1. The no update without an original install seems to effectively make
> the
> single unlock policy retroactive.
Not at all. It only applies to the 2008 City Navigator.
> 2. The inability to be able to use an original install to a replacement
> machine, to me, appears to be a new policy.
No it isn't. The only time that you could get an unlock for a
replacement GPS is if you sent one in for repair or exchange. This has
always been the policy but sometimes GARMIN has done "special" things for
some customers.
--
Darrel Goheen
GPS@tvnav.com
http://www.tvnav.com
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| Colin Wilson 2008-02-29, 3:33 pm |
| > You should properly thank the software thieves for that! Please give
> credit where it is due.
OK, will do.
Thank you JetMouse :-)
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| Jack Erbes 2008-02-29, 10:33 pm |
| Carl Heinz wrote:
<snip>
> 1. The no update without an original install seems to effectively make the
> single unlock policy retroactive.
>
> 2. The inability to be able to use an original install to a replacement
> machine, to me, appears to be a new policy. This probably has no impact on
> machines which have a map product "in the box". But, for me, effectively adds
> to the cost it I want to upgrade the hardware to a new machine. Again, to me,
> this is a breach of faith by Garmin and diminishes the value of the software
> products I've already purchased without prior notice or compensation. Hmmm,
> wonder of that's actionable.
Unlocks have always tied the maps made from a given product to the Unit
I.D. of a specific GPS receiver. Or the Unit I.D.'s of two specific GPS
receivers under the old policy.
I think the implication has always been that the arrangement applied to
one product and either one or two receivers. Change one or both
receivers and it is time to start new arrangements. No?
Jack
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| cfhughes@telefonica.net 2008-02-29, 10:33 pm |
| For historical reasons tied to Garmins policy of using the old 80-
column computer input zeros with a slash which looks like an 8 on
their serial numbers, the wrong software (CN NT instead of CN) was
included with my 2610 when purchased, and it was not capable of being
registered at my.Garmin. So updates have been linked to my GPSv with
the 2610 as secondary unlock. It appears under this latest new policy
I wont be able to use the unlock of the update on my 2610 without
purchasing completely new software. So firstly they made the GPSv
virtually redundant by changing from City Select's small segments to
City Navigator; now the 2610 requires a complete new map purchase.
Bye bye Garmin.
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| Carl Heinz 2008-02-29, 10:33 pm |
| On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:28:40 -0500, Jack Erbes < jackerbes@roadrunner
.com>
wrote:
>Carl Heinz wrote:
><snip>
>
>Unlocks have always tied the maps made from a given product to the Unit
>I.D. of a specific GPS receiver. Or the Unit I.D.'s of two specific GPS
>receivers under the old policy.
>
>I think the implication has always been that the arrangement applied to
>one product and either one or two receivers. Change one or both
>receivers and it is time to start new arrangements. No?
>
>Jack
Jack-
In the past, I've been able to transfer to successor units. I don't know if
this was Garmin being nice, or the policy at that time. At any rate, I am
unaware that this was not their normal policy. I've been careful not to pass
on any map sets to the son-in-law who is the normal recipient of my oldies.
It is my belief, correct or not, that the original map product either came
with the unit or, in the case of supplemental map sets and maps for units with
no "in the box" map sets, there was transferability to successor units. It is
my belief, correct or not, that separately purchased map sets were provided
for my general use. This includes the ability to install on a successor unit.
This is the case with most other software I've installed.
And, as I said earlier, I feel that the policy to compel new map sets (not
separately purchased updates) for units previously loaded using second unlocks
is a retroactive expansion of the single unlock policy. As I stated, I have a
new, third DVD for the 76Cx which has not been used to unlock any other unit.
As I think you're aware, I've been a Garmin supporter in the past or remained
silent if I disagreed. I will also state, that, in the past, I've always
found Garmin to be quite helpful. Unfortunately, I can no longer feel that
way. Does this mean that I now support software piracy of Garmin? No way. I
was a programmer too many years to feel that the laborer isn't worthy of his
hire. Now that I know the, to me, new set of rules, I'll amend my purchasing
decisions accordingly.
Carl
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Carl Heinz
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| TVNAV.com 2008-02-29, 10:33 pm |
|
<cfhughes@telefonica.net> wrote in message
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> For historical reasons tied to Garmins policy of using the old 80-
> column computer input zeros with a slash which looks like an 8 on
> their serial numbers, the wrong software (CN NT instead of CN) was
> included with my 2610 when purchased, and it was not capable of being
> registered at my.Garmin. So updates have been linked to my GPSv with
> the 2610 as secondary unlock.
You're telling us that your 2610 came with NT so it couldn't work? I've
never heard of a 2610 coming with NT software. Why didn't fix the problem
when you got the unit either with the dealer or with GARMIN? In fact it's
not too late to get it fixed with GARMIN "IF" you bought the 2610 from a
legitimate dealer.
--
Darrel Goheen
GPS@tvnav.com
http://www.tvnav.com
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| TVNAV.com 2008-02-29, 10:33 pm |
|
"Carl Heinz" <cfheinz57@charter.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:28:40 -0500, Jack Erbes < jackerbes@roadrunner
.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Jack-
>
> In the past, I've been able to transfer to successor units. I don't know
> if
> this was Garmin being nice, or the policy at that time.
This was GARMIN being nice. That has never been the policy.
> It is
> my belief, correct or not, that separately purchased map sets were
> provided
> for my general use. This includes the ability to install on a successor
> unit.
> This is the case with most other software I've installed.
This would only be correct for software that doesn't use unlock keys.
> And, as I said earlier, I feel that the policy to compel new map sets (not
> separately purchased updates) for units previously loaded using second
> unlocks
> is a retroactive expansion of the single unlock policy. As I stated, I
> have a
> new, third DVD for the 76Cx which has not been used to unlock any other
> unit.
That is an update DVD which as you now know can't be used to unlock a
previous "2nd unlocked" unit.
--
Darrel Goheen
GPS@tvnav.com
http://www.tvnav.com
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| Carl Heinz 2008-02-29, 10:33 pm |
| On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:37:30 -0600, "TVNAV.com" <GPS@tvnav.com> wrote:
>
> That is an update DVD which as you now know can't be used to unlock a
>previous "2nd unlocked" unit.
>--
I hadn't been aware of that. It was my understanding that you could no longer
use an update or "original" on a second unit. It was not my understanding
that a new unlock could not be used on a unit to which a second unlock had
been applied for previous versions of the map set when the second unlock was
Garmin policy. If I'm in error, then the retroactivity applies to when the
second unlock policy was changed in mid-2007. It is, nevertheless, a
retroactive change although I appear to be in error as to when the retroactive
aspects of the policy change were impelemented.
Carl
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Carl Heinz
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| TVNAV.com 2008-02-29, 10:33 pm |
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"Carl Heinz" <cfheinz57@charter.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:37:30 -0600, "TVNAV.com" <GPS@tvnav.com> wrote:
>
> I hadn't been aware of that. It was my understanding that you could no
> longer
> use an update or "original" on a second unit.
That is correct.
It was not my understanding
> that a new unlock could not be used on a unit to which a second unlock had
> been applied for previous versions of the map set when the second unlock
> was
> Garmin policy.
A new unlock can be used on any single compatible GPS. It doesn't matter
if it was unlocked before or not or how.
--
Darrel Goheen
GPS@tvnav.com
http://www.tvnav.com
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| Alex Roytman 2008-02-29, 10:33 pm |
|
I am not against unlocking but why not make it transferable or allow using
on one lesser units (biking, hiking etc)? Most of their units already
include a mandatory CN license included. Another couple of years and
hardware will become commoditized, people will pay more attention to maps,
software, convenience and flexibility. It bound to hurt Garmin
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> "Alex Roytman" <nospam@domain.com> wrote in message
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>
> You should properly thank the software thieves for that! Please give
> credit where it is due.
> --
>
>
> Darrel Goheen
> GPS@tvnav.com
> http://www.tvnav.com
>
>
>
>
>
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| larry@fishing.net 2008-02-29, 10:33 pm |
| On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:25:12 -0600, "TVNAV.com" <GPS@tvnav.com> wrote:
>
>"Alex Roytman" <nospam@domain.com> wrote in message
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>
> You should properly thank the software thieves for that! Please give
>credit where it is due.
I am like the above posters in that I have purchased a lot of Garmin
products. 7 GPSR's, 3 Fish finders, 4 versions of CN NA, 1 version of
CS NA, 2 versions of MG, 1 R & R, 1 Topo US and 1 US Tides software.
All top of the line (not cheap) products at the time of purchase. The
last 4 GPSR's were from TVNAV. Now I see that Garmin is no longer
interested in keeping good customers happy. First they should have
emailed all customers in the database about the policy change for
unlocks. They should allow the 2 unlocks for all units purchased
before the policy change (that was our understanding at the time of
purchase) and 1 unlock for units purchased after notification. I feel
this was done with poor planning and no desire to take care of valued
customers. The customer support has also gone way down in my opinion
in the recent past. Or maybe they just don't value repeat business
any more. The new high end units are full of mind candy and short of
the things I have come to value in a GPSR. I know they will have to
work much harder for my dollar$ in the future.
This current policy is only going to create MORE software thieves in
my opinion. Not wanting to be a thief I used a previously purchased
version of metroguide and Metrowizz for my 76 CSx off road unit. But
I do see a LOT of posts about pirate unlocks on the net and news
groups. Before Garmin's new unlock policy pirates were shunned in
this and other posting locations. Garmin can blame themselves for the
new rash of pirating.
Garmin dealers should be complaining every day via phone and email.
Garmin is hurting their business as well as their own. Yes Garmin
sales are skyrocketing right now as is every GPS supplier but it will
not last. The cost is getting too high to upgrade every year.
Larry
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| Carl Heinz 2008-03-01, 4:33 am |
| On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:13:59 -0500, larry@fishing.net wrote:
>The customer support has also gone way down in my opinion
>in the recent past.
My experience with support personnel continues to be excellent. I don't hear
spoken apologies for the current Garmin policies, but I do sense them.
Carl
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| cfhughes@telefonica.net 2008-03-01, 4:33 am |
| > You're telling us that your 2610 came with NT so it couldn't work? I've
> never heard of a 2610 coming with NT software. Why didn't fix the problem
> when you got the unit either with the dealer or with GARMIN? In fact it's
> not too late to get it fixed with GARMIN "IF" you bought the 2610 from a
> legitimate dealer.
> --
>
> Darrel Goheen
> G...@tvnav.com
> http://www.tvnav.com
Yes the 2610 was bought from a legitimate Garmin dealer and came with
330 NT software. The 2610 serial was xxx609xxx, the software was
linked to serial no. xxx689xxx - i.e. somebody packing the units
(Garmin/dealer?) had misread the archaically-formated serial numbers.
The dealer was convinced that NT maps could work on a 2610, and it
required Garmin to inform him that they didn't! Eventually after
sending Garmin photographs of the packaging, unit, credit card
statement, etc., I received a DVD with a hand-written label direct
from Garmin. To date I've not been able to register this unit. This
hasn't been a problem in previous years because I've used the second
unlock. Apparently with the "new" new policy it will not be possible
this year. However, having finally found CN EU 2008 on a mapviewer I
note there are no significant updates this year, so will be passing
anyway.
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"Carl Heinz" <cfheinz57@charter.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:13:59 -0500, larry@fishing.net wrote:
>
Sadly, I have to agree. They used to have excellent email tech support. Not
any more. Their techs have given me completely different and often
erroroneous information. When called up on it, they feel threatened by the
information I have given them and I was told old to ignore whatever
information I may have located elsewhere especially on the net. Fortunately,
I have a few names of some senior techs that eventually come back to me and
apologized for the incorrect information I have received. I havent used
telephone support, except once. At that time, the women didn't seem terribly
knowlegable at all.
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"Colin Wilson" < REMOVEEVERYTHINGBUTn
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EROSPAM.co.uk> wrote
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>
> Thank you JetMouse :-)
You should probably thank him in a separate thread. ;-)
No doubt though, sooner or later, he too will be cursing Garmin and he won't
be able to do a damn thing about it.
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| Helge Olav Helgesen 2008-03-01, 4:33 am |
| Hello Carl,
> So, I have to conclude that you can only purchase an update for a unit
> which had it in the box or
Yes, this is stated somewhere in the license. I read this a few years back.
This means that I need to keep my old 60CS to unlock updates. And then unlock
my current present second unit afterwards.
Strategy: Register all your maps to one unit. Then you can swap and change
the second unit as new maps arrive.
---
Helge Olav Helgesen
http://www.helge.net
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| cfhughes@telefonica.net 2008-03-01, 7:33 am |
| <To date I've not been able to register this unit.>
An update on the above - I've now managed to register it by using the
2610 serial number and the GPSv registration code!?
Confirmation of the above discussion, it is showing that no updates to
CN EU v9 are available for the 2610 because I used the second unlock
for it last year, although it was using the primary unlock the
previous year; whereas the GPSv is showing CN EU 2008 is available
(although useless because of the segment size).
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| TVNAV.com 2008-03-01, 10:33 pm |
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<larry@fishing.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:25:12 -0600, "TVNAV.com" <GPS@tvnav.com> wrote:
> This current policy is only going to create MORE software thieves in
> my opinion.
And guess who will get to pay for a new protection scheme when the
software stealing gets too costly for GARMIN (or any other company)???? Yip,
software thieves just drive up the cost for us that pay for our software.
Always have and always will. But that's OK cuz we can just put the blame
GARMIN for it.
--
Darrel Goheen
GPS@tvnav.com
http://www.tvnav.com
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| TVNAV.com 2008-03-01, 10:33 pm |
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<cfhughes@telefonica.net> wrote in message
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>
> Yes the 2610 was bought from a legitimate Garmin dealer and came with
> 330 NT software. The 2610 serial was xxx609xxx, the software was
> linked to serial no. xxx689xxx - i.e. somebody packing the units
> (Garmin/dealer?) had misread the archaically-formated serial numbers.
> The dealer was convinced that NT maps could work on a 2610, and it
> required Garmin to inform him that they didn't!
That's pretty sad when a dealer can't get a simple problem like this
taken care of quickly.
Eventually after
> sending Garmin photographs of the packaging, unit, credit card
> statement, etc., I received a DVD with a hand-written label direct
> from Garmin. To date I've not been able to register this unit. This
> hasn't been a problem in previous years because I've used the second
> unlock.
I'd still get the problem fixed. No reason to be using it like it is and
not being able to register it.
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Darrel Goheen
GPS@tvnav.com
http://www.tvnav.com
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| larry@fishing.net 2008-03-02, 10:33 am |
| On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 16:47:03 -0600, "TVNAV.com" <GPS@tvnav.com> wrote:
>And guess who will get to pay for a new protection scheme when the
>software stealing gets too costly for GARMIN (or any other company)???? Yip,
>software thieves just drive up the cost for us that pay for our software.
>Always have and always will. But that's OK cuz we can just put the blame
>GARMIN for it.
I understand and agree about who will pay for it in the long run. My
point was that the piracy issue was almost non existent before Garmins
policy change. Since the change the pirates are not receiving the
grief that they were before the change. I will not pirate the
software but I may look to a different company for my next GPS.
I have already changed companies for my fish finders. I really did
not know how bad the Garmins were compared to Lowrance and Humminbird
I stayed with Garmin because the GPS units were so good that I never
looked at any other companies products. Now that I decided to look at
others I see the difference. I contacted Garmin and they seem not to
care that the units they make are junk compared to others. They did
tell me that the problem I had should not be and they exchanged the
unit for a new one. It had the exact same problem.
They still make a great GPS but the new policies will make me look at
more companies for my next electronics purchase.
Larry
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| Steven 2008-03-07, 4:33 am |
| The policy change has also caused me to delay any further purchases of
Garmin GPS'es at this time.
I've been sticking with my 2610 and 60cs
I also bought several extra garmin mapsets and upgrades until the policy
changes
The 2 unit unlock limit also kept me from buying a third garmin GPS for my
bike
I wanted the best suited units for the car, bike, and hiking
For now I'm making do with the 2610 and 60cs -- I have not updated any
garmin hardware or software in over a year.. and given the current rules may
well wait to decide what to do for some time to come
"Carl Heinz" <cfheinz57@charter.net> wrote in message
news:l65hs3hmqms2t1f
ipsu5lk7o2pppdkj766@
4ax.com...
> On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:28:40 -0500, Jack Erbes < jackerbes@roadrunner
.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Jack-
>
> In the past, I've been able to transfer to successor units. I don't know
> if
> this was Garmin being nice, or the policy at that time. At any rate, I am
> unaware that this was not their normal policy. I've been careful not to
> pass
> on any map sets to the son-in-law who is the normal recipient of my
> oldies.
>
> It is my belief, correct or not, that the original map product either came
> with the unit or, in the case of supplemental map sets and maps for units
> with
> no "in the box" map sets, there was transferability to successor units.
> It is
> my belief, correct or not, that separately purchased map sets were
> provided
> for my general use. This includes the ability to install on a successor
> unit.
> This is the case with most other software I've installed.
>
> And, as I said earlier, I feel that the policy to compel new map sets (not
> separately purchased updates) for units previously loaded using second
> unlocks
> is a retroactive expansion of the single unlock policy. As I stated, I
> have a
> new, third DVD for the 76Cx which has not been used to unlock any other
> unit.
>
> As I think you're aware, I've been a Garmin supporter in the past or
> remained
> silent if I disagreed. I will also state, that, in the past, I've always
> found Garmin to be quite helpful. Unfortunately, I can no longer feel
> that
> way. Does this mean that I now support software piracy of Garmin? No
> way. I
> was a programmer too many years to feel that the laborer isn't worthy of
> his
> hire. Now that I know the, to me, new set of rules, I'll amend my
> purchasing
> decisions accordingly.
>
> Carl
> --
> Carl Heinz
> cfheinz57@charter.net
> (Remove number)
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| David Lesher 2008-03-22, 4:33 am |
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I bought a friend a MIO C230 as a present.
It came with maps.
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