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3G surfing using laptop via phone
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| Ron O'Brien 2005-08-26, 5:49 pm |
| Hi
I'm very new (3 days) to this 3G /GRPS business. I have my phone (Nokia 6630
on Orange) set up so I can connect my laptop to the Internet to get some
really wizzy speeds but.....
I don't understand the costs involved. I've started off with the Orangeworld
4, which means I can 'Download' 4mb per month - great for my work emails I
thought. However, Someone told me that I will soon go through that using the
web, as each page I visit can really chew into that 4mb.
I thought I 'viewed' webpages on a server, not downloaded them???? How on
earth do I guess what size a web page might be? This seems a very odd way of
charging for mobilr broadband
Ron O'Brien
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| Brian McIlwrath 2005-08-26, 5:49 pm |
| Ron O'Brien <admin@castcall.co.uk> wrote:
: I thought I 'viewed' webpages on a server, not downloaded them????
To *VIEW" a page it gets downloaded, through Orange GPRS and your phone,
into your laptop (which displays it).
: How on earth do I guess what size a web page might be? This seems a
: very odd way of charging for mobile broadband
Don't know about your phone and software but using my Motorola the phone
itself has a status page including bytes and time for both "last data call"
and "all data calls" (which I can reset at the start of the billing period) -
these show roughly how the byes are mounting up.
The "Mobile Phone Tools" access software for Motorolas also logs
bytes for each GPRS session.
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| admin@castcall.co.uk declared for all the world to hear...
> Hi
>
> I'm very new (3 days) to this 3G /GRPS business. I have my phone (Nokia 6630
> on Orange) set up so I can connect my laptop to the Internet to get some
> really wizzy speeds but.....
>
> I don't understand the costs involved. I've started off with the Orangeworld
> 4, which means I can 'Download' 4mb per month - great for my work emails I
> thought. However, Someone told me that I will soon go through that using the
> web, as each page I visit can really chew into that 4mb.
>
> I thought I 'viewed' webpages on a server, not downloaded them???? How on
> earth do I guess what size a web page might be? This seems a very odd way of
> charging for mobilr broadband
A web page is a chunk of code which your browser turns into a meaningful
display. In order to view a webpage you download the code for that
webpage. A simple page will be about 20k while a complicated page with
animations and sounds and flash can be over 100k.
In internet explorer to see page size right-click on any part of the
page which is not a link and choose properties.
If you start using your 6630 for lots of web viewing I would consider
upping your bundle. Email (without attachments) and things like MSN
messenger take virtually no bandwidth, where you will use it up faster
will be complex webpages and file downloads.
As an introductory offer you should have got 1000Mb per month to use for
3 months completely free, if you did not get this then call Orange ask
ask for the TRY 3G bundle to be added to your account.
--
Regards
Jon
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| On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:15:43 +0100, Jon <spam@jonparker.plus.com>
wrote:
>As an introductory offer you should have got 1000Mb per month to use for
>3 months completely free, if you did not get this then call Orange ask
>ask for the TRY 3G bundle to be added to your account.
Just out of interest does anyone know the exact terms of these offers
and how you get them, as the Orange web shite is useless.
My wife and I have exactly the same tariffs, spend etc and have
upgraded to 6680s in exactly the same Orange shop at the same time.
The only difference is we have separate accounts. She seems to have
been given the 1000 MB try data and video calling 30 (without asking,
she'll never use them as she's locked her phone to 2g after having 3g
problems on the second day) and I don't... On calling 150 they say I
should talk to the shop about what was offered!
Rgds
Jonathan
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| >-©LuVbuG©- 2005-08-28, 5:49 pm |
| "JC" <nospam@nospam.comm> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:15:43 +0100, Jon <spam@jonparker.plus.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Just out of interest does anyone know the exact terms of these offers
> and how you get them, as the Orange web shite is useless.
>
> My wife and I have exactly the same tariffs, spend etc and have
> upgraded to 6680s in exactly the same Orange shop at the same time.
> The only difference is we have separate accounts. She seems to have
> been given the 1000 MB try data and video calling 30 (without asking,
> she'll never use them as she's locked her phone to 2g after having 3g
> problems on the second day) and I don't... On calling 150 they say I
> should talk to the shop about what was offered!
>
> Rgds
> Jonathan
>
You should have the same as your wife - call Orange to get the neccessary
bundles added to your account.
--
Antz,
Part of the UKtm family
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| JC wrote:
> My wife and I have exactly the same tariffs, spend etc and have
> upgraded to 6680s in exactly the same Orange shop at the same time.
> The only difference is we have separate accounts. She seems to have
> been given the 1000 MB try data and video calling 30 (without asking,
> she'll never use them as she's locked her phone to 2g after having 3g
> problems on the second day) and I don't...
The problem does lie with the retail store that did the upgrade for you
- get back onto them if CS aren't playing!
Have you thought about combining the phones to a single account, though?
You'll get 50% additional minutes free as part of "family".
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| On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 18:26:02 +0100, ">-©LuVbuG©-<"
< anthony_deadabo@hotm
ail.com> wrote:
>You should have the same as your wife - call Orange to get the neccessary
>bundles added to your account.
Well Orange 150 just refer me to the Orange store that did the upgrade
and my last experience of that Store convinced me that some of their
staff would have difficulty operating a toaster, let alone accurately
setting up an Orange account.
When I did my last Orange upgrade a year ago they messed up the SIM
updates and I was without a phone for a week so I can't risk that.
We've also both just forced our phones to 2G only mode to actually
make them work reliably so Orange data now seems a bit pointless.....
and anyway that's what Vodafone's for isn't it? ;-) I was hoping
someone may have the exact details of the offer so I can quote them to
150, but I've now become convinced Orange just make them up as they go
along...
Rgds
Jonathan
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| On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:43:42 GMT, Chris <unre@l.address> wrote:
>Have you thought about combining the phones to a single account, though?
> You'll get 50% additional minutes free as part of "family".
I've never understood this. I have two of my own phones on my account
but would never have someone elses. Do Orange allow you to disclaim
responsibility for any calls made to a certain phone on your account?
I'm sure the answer will be no... It could have all the free minutes
in the world (and I often don't use half the "free" minutes I get
anyway) but when she runs up a £ 500 roaming bill from UAE i'm sure
not going to be the one to pay it! ;-)
Rgds
Jonathan
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| >-©LuVbuG©- 2005-08-29, 5:48 pm |
| "JC" <nospam@nospam.comm> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 18:26:02 +0100, ">-©LuVbuG©-<"
> < anthony_deadabo@hotm
ail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Well Orange 150 just refer me to the Orange store that did the upgrade
> and my last experience of that Store convinced me that some of their
> staff would have difficulty operating a toaster, let alone accurately
> setting up an Orange account.
>
> When I did my last Orange upgrade a year ago they messed up the SIM
> updates and I was without a phone for a week so I can't risk that.
>
> We've also both just forced our phones to 2G only mode to actually
> make them work reliably so Orange data now seems a bit pointless.....
> and anyway that's what Vodafone's for isn't it? ;-) I was hoping
> someone may have the exact details of the offer so I can quote them to
> 150, but I've now become convinced Orange just make them up as they go
> along...
>
> Rgds
> Jonathan
I don't understand why CS can't do it (in fact they've cocked up my bundles
so many times that it's a monthly task to call them!!). Make sure you go to
the billing section (option 2), and 'other queries about your bill' which
takes you straight through to billing/accounts dept.
You stated the bundles correctly in your previous message:
Per month for 3 months:
1GB of data (WAP/3G only, NOT internet usage)
30 video calling minutes
3 free Music player downloads
3 Fire Player remix tracks
[not sure if these two are still running, a Series 60 phone i.e. 6630/6680
is required]
Hope this helps.
--
Antz,
Part of the UKtm family
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| R. Mark Clayton 2005-08-29, 5:48 pm |
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"Ron O'Brien" <admin@castcall.co.uk> wrote in message
news:mUFPe.520$kE2.173@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
> Hi
>
> I'm very new (3 days) to this 3G /GRPS business. I have my phone (Nokia
> 6630 on Orange) set up so I can connect my laptop to the Internet to get
> some really wizzy speeds but.....
>
> I don't understand the costs involved. I've started off with the
> Orangeworld 4, which means I can 'Download' 4mb per month - great for my
> work emails I thought. However, Someone told me that I will soon go
> through that using the web, as each page I visit can really chew into that
> 4mb.
>
> I thought I 'viewed' webpages on a server, not downloaded them???? How on
> earth do I guess what size a web page might be? This seems a very odd way
> of charging for mobilr broadband
>
> Ron O'Brien
>
4Mb won't last very long. I went away for the bank holiday and just the
virus updates for 10 days was >8Mb!
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| hairydog@despammed.com 2005-08-29, 11:48 pm |
| On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 14:43:30 GMT, "Ron O'Brien" <admin@castcall.co.uk>
wrote:
>I don't understand the costs involved. I've started off with the Orangeworld
>4, which means I can 'Download' 4mb per month - great for my work emails I
>thought. However, Someone told me that I will soon go through that using the
>web, as each page I visit can really chew into that 4mb.
Indeed you will
>I thought I 'viewed' webpages on a server, not downloaded them????
How do you think you can view the pages unless you download their
contents?
> How on
>earth do I guess what size a web page might be? This seems a very odd way of
>charging for mobilr broadband
It's a matter of how competent the web designer/developers is. Good
ones make pages with small file sizes, incompetent ones make them with
big file sizes. And the difference can be more than a matter of ten
times as big.
It is a very good way to charge, I think. Why should the mobile
networks subsidise incompetence?
--
Iain
the out-of-date hairydog guide to mobile phones
http://www.hairydog.co.uk/cell1.html
Browse now while stocks last!
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| Stuart Hutchinson 2005-08-30, 5:49 pm |
| Ron O'Brien <admin@castcall.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I'm very new (3 days) to this 3G /GRPS business. I have my phone (Nokia 6630
> on Orange) set up so I can connect my laptop to the Internet to get some
> really wizzy speeds but.....
>
> I don't understand the costs involved. I've started off with the Orangeworld
> 4, which means I can 'Download' 4mb per month - great for my work emails I
> thought. However, Someone told me that I will soon go through that using the
> web, as each page I visit can really chew into that 4mb.
>
> I thought I 'viewed' webpages on a server, not downloaded them???? How on
> earth do I guess what size a web page might be? This seems a very odd way of
> charging for mobilr broadband
>
> Ron O'Brien
Sign up with OnSpeed. It compresses your pages making them cheaper and
faster to load. You can even specify the level of compression for web
page images.
Stu
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substitute domaininvalid.com with ntlworld.com for email
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| hairydog@despammed.com 2005-08-30, 5:49 pm |
| On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:02:46 +0100,
stuart. hutchinson@domaininv
alid.com (Stuart Hutchinson) wrote:
>Sign up with OnSpeed. It compresses your pages making them cheaper and
>faster to load. You can even specify the level of compression for web
>page images.
Complete waste of money if you are using Orange 3G. The Internet APN
does this for you for free. Compressing twice is likely to be
counter-productive.
If you don't want the compression and downsampling, use the Office
(VPN) APN instead.
--
Iain
the out-of-date hairydog guide to mobile phones
http://www.hairydog.co.uk/cell1.html
Browse now while stocks last!
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| nospam@nospam.comm declared for all the world to hear...
Not necessarily, the tariff will have a bearing on what is and isn't
available.
[color=darkred]
> When I did my last Orange upgrade a year ago they messed up the SIM
> updates and I was without a phone for a week so I can't risk that.
Probably not the stores fault.
> We've also both just forced our phones to 2G only mode to actually
> make them work reliably so Orange data now seems a bit pointless.....
> and anyway that's what Vodafone's for isn't it? ;-) I was hoping
> someone may have the exact details of the offer so I can quote them to
> 150, but I've now become convinced Orange just make them up as they go
> along...
It is called TRY 3G, and is offered with all 3G handset purchases,
unless you are on an OVP tariff. If the store have not put it on for you
then give them a ring and ask them to send a smartform asking for it as
it got missed at the point of sale.
--
Regards
Jon
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| anthony_deadabo@hotm
ail.com declared for all the world to hear...
> You stated the bundles correctly in your previous message:
>
> Per month for 3 months:
> 1GB of data (WAP/3G only, NOT internet usage)
You can use it for internet.
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Regards
Jon
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| >-©LuVbuG©- 2005-08-30, 11:48 pm |
| "Jon" <spam@jonparker.plus.com> wrote in message
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27@usenet.plus.net...
> anthony_deadabo@hotm
ail.com declared for all the world to hear...
>
> You can use it for internet.
> --
> Regards
> Jon
Using your phone as a 3G modem via a PC/laptop? Or just internet sites from
the phone's browser?
--
Antz,
Part of the UKtm family
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| Steven Sumpter 2005-08-31, 5:48 pm |
| >-©LuVbuG©-< wrote:
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> Using your phone as a 3G modem via a PC/laptop? Or just internet sites from
> the phone's browser?
>
I've been using my 1GB bundle to connect my laptop to the internet as
well as using internet applications on the phone. I may have got my
usage as high as 65MB last month!
I haven't been charged on either of my last two bills.
Steve.
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