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Locking 3 to 3G network
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| Ian Smith 2007-04-22, 4:33 am |
| I'd like to switch the handset on my 3 account to use an ex-O2 K800i.
I'm assuming that this will operate on 3G only, as it doesn't have
the 3 modified software.
Can anyone foresee any problem I should be worried about ... ?
regards, Ian
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| news0107REMOVECAPS@o
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> I'd like to switch the handset on my 3 account to use an ex-O2 K800i.
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> I'm assuming that this will operate on 3G only, as it doesn't have
> the 3 modified software.
The opposite is true. As it doesn't' have tweaked software you will be
able to control it.
> Can anyone foresee any problem I should be worried about ... ?
Being in breach of your 3 contract and risking getting cut-off? They
don't like you using other phones.
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Regards
Jon
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| dave @ stejonda 2007-04-22, 10:33 am |
| In message <MPG. 209520f5e194034598a9
1c@text.usenet.plus.net>, Jon
<spam@jonparker.plus.com> writes
> news0107REMOVECAPS@o
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>Being in breach of your 3 contract and risking getting cut-off? They
>don't like you using other phones.
Nor do Orange though - do they?
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dave @ stejonda
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| clavox@btinternet.com 2007-04-22, 12:33 pm |
| On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:24:30 +0100, "dave @ stejonda"
<no$spam!delete&abuse%dave@stejonda.freeuk.com> wrote:
>In message <MPG. 209520f5e194034598a9
1c@text.usenet.plus.net>, Jon
><spam@jonparker.plus.com> writes
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>Nor do Orange though - do they?
I used my T-Mobile sim in three or possibly four different phones over
the last 18 months until the contract ended without any problems what
is up with some of these companies does the supplied phone send info
back to them which we don't know about or something ? .
The last one being an unlocked Samsung which I bought from CFW at
Christmas .
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| no$spam!delete&abuse%dave@stejonda.freeuk.com declared for all the world
to hear...
> In message <MPG. 209520f5e194034598a9
1c@text.usenet.plus.net>, Jon
> <spam@jonparker.plus.com> writes
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> Nor do Orange though - do they?
They may not like it (there's no official policy that I've ever come
across) but with Orange there are no stipulations in the contract about
it, unlike 3.
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Regards
Jon
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| clavox@btinternet.com declared for all the world to hear...
> I used my T-Mobile sim in three or possibly four different phones over
> the last 18 months until the contract ended without any problems what
> is up with some of these companies does the supplied phone send info
> back to them which we don't know about or something ? .
I think I managed to decipher that, but try a bit of punctuation next
time.
3 have a clause in their contract which basically says you can't use any
phone with your USIM other than the one supplied to you. To do so puts
you in breach and you get cut off after a few days.
I don't think they mind if you use another 3-supplied handset, but if
you put your 3 USIM into a non-3G handset they can and do cut you off.
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Regards
Jon
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| dave @ stejonda 2007-04-22, 3:33 pm |
| In message <MPG. 2095bbc5503599ae98a9
1e@text.usenet.plus.net>, Jon
<spam@jonparker.plus.com> writes
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>They may not like it (there's no official policy that I've ever come
>across) but with Orange there are no stipulations in the contract about
>it, unlike 3.
Ok. Though Orange Care will only replace a lost/damaged phone with the
registered phone. Which creates an interesting <g> situation if you're
in the position of a friend of mine who prefers using a much older
cheaper phone on his current contract than the SPV Orange have provided
him with. :)
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dave @ stejonda
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| Ian Smith 2007-04-22, 3:33 pm |
| Jon wrote:
> clavox@btinternet.com declared for all the world to hear...
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> I don't think they mind if you use another 3-supplied handset, but if
> you put your 3 USIM into a non-3G handset they can and do cut you off.
Is this action triggered by locking the phone onto a 2G network and
therefore causing 3 increased interconnection costs, or do they just
detect the wrong IMEI and throw their toys out of their pram? I had
intended to lock the handset onto the 3G signal, as it now looking
pretty good most places I go.
Do we have any practical experience of 3 disconnecting for this?
regards, Ian
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| news0107REMOVECAPS@o
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> Jon wrote:
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> Is this action triggered by locking the phone onto a 2G network and
> therefore causing 3 increased interconnection costs, or do they just
> detect the wrong IMEI and throw their toys out of their pram?
It's undoubtedly to do with costs, and the detection is fully automated
as you intimated.
> I had
> intended to lock the handset onto the 3G signal, as it now looking
> pretty good most places I go.
It does that in "auto" mode.
> Do we have any practical experience of 3 disconnecting for this?
Yes, there have been many examples on this group alone.
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Regards
Jon
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| no$spam!delete&abuse%dave@stejonda.freeuk.com declared for all the world
to hear...
> In message <MPG. 2095bbc5503599ae98a9
1e@text.usenet.plus.net>, Jon
> <spam@jonparker.plus.com> writes
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> Ok. Though Orange Care will only replace a lost/damaged phone with the
> registered phone. Which creates an interesting <g> situation if you're
> in the position of a friend of mine who prefers using a much older
> cheaper phone on his current contract than the SPV Orange have provided
> him with. :)
It's not very interesting because the device you lose (the "old one")
will not get replaced, nor will it get replaced with another model of
the "new" phone.
And you'll get charged £15+vat for a new SIM.
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Regards
Jon
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| dave @ stejonda 2007-04-23, 10:33 pm |
| In message <MPG. 20971bab6291f7dd98a9
2a@text.usenet.plus.net>, Jon
<spam@jonparker.plus.com> writes
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>It's not very interesting because the device you lose (the "old one")
>will not get replaced, nor will it get replaced with another model of
>the "new" phone.
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>And you'll get charged £15+vat for a new SIM.
too serious Jon.
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dave @ stejonda
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| Stuart Millington 2007-04-23, 10:33 pm |
| On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:37:30 +0100, Jon <spam@jonparker.plus.com>
wrote:
> news0107REMOVECAPS@o
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>It's undoubtedly to do with costs, and the detection is fully automated
>as you intimated.
I had an N73 supplied by 3, but with non-3 firmware, running for 4~ish
days before it was relegated to a paperweight so they must either work
from the IMEI (rather than detecting modified firmware) or have a
longer detection threshold than that.
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>Yes, there have been many examples on this group alone.
Shame, as the only chance to get a decent PDA, e.g. XDA Exec, on 3 is
to got a non-3 branded one :-(
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| dave @ stejonda 2007-04-24, 10:33 am |
| In message <MPG. 20971bab6291f7dd98a9
2a@text.usenet.plus.net>, Jon
<spam@jonparker.plus.com> writes
>no$spam!delete&abuse%dave@stejonda.freeuk.com declared for all the world
>to hear...
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>It's not very interesting because the device you lose (the "old one")
>will not get replaced, nor will it get replaced with another model of
>the "new" phone.
>
>And you'll get charged £15+vat for a new SIM.
Seriously though, why would Orange charge GBP15+VAT in that situation?
They wouldn't make that charge if the registered phone was lost.
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dave @ stejonda
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| Dennis Ferguson 2007-04-24, 12:33 pm |
| On 2007-04-23, Stuart Millington <news@dsv1.co.uk> wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:37:30 +0100, Jon <spam@jonparker.plus.com>
> wrote:
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> I had an N73 supplied by 3, but with non-3 firmware, running for 4~ish
> days before it was relegated to a paperweight so they must either work
> from the IMEI (rather than detecting modified firmware) or have a
> longer detection threshold than that.
I'd note that 3 PAYG has a SIM-only option, and the text seems to
imply rather explicitly that you can bring a phone from another network.
I had been assuming that their problem was with the use of 2G phones,
or manually selecting 2G service where 3 has (or thinks they have) 3G
coverage. I've had no problem using a 3 Hong Kong V3xx, with manual
network selection menus intact but set to automatic selection, with
a 3 UK SIM for whatever that's worth.
Dennis Ferguson
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| no$spam!delete&abuse%dave@stejonda.freeuk.com declared for all the world
to hear...
> In message <MPG. 20971bab6291f7dd98a9
2a@text.usenet.plus.net>, Jon
> <spam@jonparker.plus.com> writes
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> Seriously though, why would Orange charge GBP15+VAT in that situation?
> They wouldn't make that charge if the registered phone was lost.
If you need to replace a PAYM SIM and it's not covered by insurance (for
example by using it in a different phone) or warranty then you have to
pay for it. The charge is currently £15+vat.
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Regards
Jon
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| dcferguson@pacbell.net declared for all the world to hear...
> On 2007-04-23, Stuart Millington <news@dsv1.co.uk> wrote:
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> I'd note that 3 PAYG has a SIM-only option, and the text seems to
> imply rather explicitly that you can bring a phone from another network.
>
> I had been assuming that their problem was with the use of 2G phones,
> or manually selecting 2G service where 3 has (or thinks they have) 3G
> coverage. I've had no problem using a 3 Hong Kong V3xx, with manual
> network selection menus intact but set to automatic selection, with
> a 3 UK SIM for whatever that's worth.
The terms for PAYG may well be different to pay monthly then.
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Regards
Jon
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| dave @ stejonda 2007-04-24, 3:33 pm |
| In message <MPG. 20985552701c64e598a9
3a@text.usenet.plus.net>, Jon
<spam@jonparker.plus.com> writes
>
>If you need to replace a PAYM SIM and it's not covered by insurance (for
>example by using it in a different phone) or warranty then you have to
>pay for it. The charge is currently £15+vat.
Thanks, I'll tell him.
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dave @ stejonda
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| Stuart Millington 2007-04-24, 10:33 pm |
| On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:57:51 +0100, Jon <spam@jonparker.plus.com>
wrote:
>dcferguson@pacbell.net declared for all the world to hear...
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>The terms for PAYG may well be different to pay monthly then.
http://www.three.co.uk/personal/pri...o_/sim_only.omp
"Love your mobile, but not your network? Simple. Just pick up a 3 SIM
card and welcome to another planet of music, videos, mobile TV,
internet on the go and more."
Appears to contradict 3's T&C's as I can't see a PAYG exemption to:
"5.4 Handsets which can be used to access 3 Services are locked to our
network. The software in the Handset and all intellectual property
rights in that software is owned by the Handset manufacturer and you
are being allowed to use the software on a limited licence from the
Handset manufacturer. During the term of your Agreement for the supply
of 3 Services, you must not permit your Handset to be unlocked via any
unauthorised manner (ie. by anyone other than us or the Handset
manufacturer)....etc."
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| "Ian Smith" < news0107REMOVECAPS@o
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> Jon wrote:
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> Is this action triggered by locking the phone onto a 2G network and
> therefore causing 3 increased interconnection costs, or do they just
> detect the wrong IMEI and throw their toys out of their pram? I had
> intended to lock the handset onto the 3G signal, as it now looking pretty
> good most places I go.
>
AFAICT there's no way of locking a stock k800i to 3G only anyway.
Why would you want to? You're allowed to roam onto 2G via Three, just not
permanently.
Shak
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| "Stuart Millington" <news@dsv1.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:37:30 +0100, Jon <spam@jonparker.plus.com>
> wrote:
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> I had an N73 supplied by 3, but with non-3 firmware, running for 4~ish
> days before it was relegated to a paperweight so they must either work
> from the IMEI (rather than detecting modified firmware) or have a
> longer detection threshold than that.
>
I've been running my Three sim in an ex-Voda k800i for almost a year now.
I'm not sure they care at all as long as you don't force your phone to roam.
Oh, and they're not very helpful if you ask how you can download stuff
requiring certificates (which you won't have).
Shak
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| Paul Black 2007-04-25, 3:33 pm |
| Dennis Ferguson wrote:
> I had been assuming that their problem was with the use of 2G phones,
> or manually selecting 2G service where 3 has (or thinks they have) 3G
> coverage.
When you phone up to leave and mention that the phone flitting between
2G & 3G is one of the reasons for going, they tell you to manually
select the 2G network. Of course, they don't believe you when you tell
them you've tried and the phone still flits as soon as it spots the
other network ....
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Paul
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