Cell Phones in Great Britain - iPhone notes: a method to insert the *current date+time*?

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iPhone notes: a method to insert the *current date+time*?

childish.chris@googlemail.com

2008-03-25, 10:33 pm

In the past I have used my candybar Nokia when arriving at meetings so
i know how much to bill clients (i have a sucky memory when it comes
to times)

The iPhone seems to lack this very basic but amazingly useful
feature. I have a jailbroken (gaol-broken?) iPhone.

Also: it would be useful to use the keyboard in landscape mode from
time-to-time (you can only do this in safari right now i think). I
know the screen realesetate is restricted but at times you really need
it.

Laterz,
Chris

Hugh Browton

2008-03-26, 7:33 am

On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:28:05 +0000, childish.chris@googlemail.com wrote
(in article
<4302dbde-afeb-40b8-8864- cbb151e4fa6a@b1g2000
hsg.googlegroups.com> ):

> In the past I have used my candybar Nokia when arriving at meetings so
> i know how much to bill clients (i have a sucky memory when it comes
> to times)
>
> The iPhone seems to lack this very basic but amazingly useful
> feature. I have a jailbroken (gaol-broken?) iPhone.
>
Yes, that would be neat!

>
>
> Also: it would be useful to use the keyboard in landscape mode from
> time-to-time (you can only do this in safari right now i think). I
> know the screen realesetate is restricted but at times you really need
> it.
>
>
>
> Laterz,
> Chris

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John Mason

2008-03-26, 10:34 pm

<childish.chris@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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hsg.googlegroups.com...
> In the past I have used my candybar Nokia when arriving at meetings so
> i know how much to bill clients (i have a sucky memory when it comes
> to times)
>
> The iPhone seems to lack this very basic but amazingly useful
> feature. I have a jailbroken (gaol-broken?) iPhone.
>
>
>
> Also: it would be useful to use the keyboard in landscape mode from
> time-to-time (you can only do this in safari right now i think). I
> know the screen realesetate is restricted but at times you really need
> it.
>
>
>
> Laterz,
> Chris

The iPhone appear to lack serveral basic functions, makes me wonder if its
worth the extortionate cost.

Ivor Jones

2008-03-26, 10:34 pm

"John Mason" <john.mason@mail.com> wrote in message
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[snip]

: The iPhone appear to lack serveral basic functions, makes
: me wonder if its worth the extortionate cost.

You take time to wonder..? Most of us knew from day one.

Ivor

childish.chris@googlemail.com

2008-03-26, 10:34 pm

On Mar 26, 10:03 pm, "John Mason" <john.ma...@mail.com> wrote:
> <childish.ch...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4302dbde-afeb-40b8-8864- cbb151e4fa6a@b1g2000
hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The iPhone appear to lack serveral basic functions, makes me wonder if its=

> worth the extortionate cost.

John,

There are many great phones made by several different manufacturers
including Nokia, Sony, LG etc.

I have tried a bunch of them and my personal preference is the
iPhone. It not for everyone. (Also, I am not poor so the 'extortion'
is not an issue for me.) [1]

See, phones are like women. Not all guys like the same women: Some
people think Jeniffer Lopez is undesirable because she has a big butt
whilst some guys think she a hot piece of XXX. (And this does not make
her any less of a woman) Different strokes for different folks.

I'm not saying other phones are better or worse. I'm just saying that
I personally really like the iPhone. Before i actually owned one I
thought it was a sucky over-hyped and over-priced piece of crap.
Watching Jobs announce in it Jan 2007 I though 'geez, this guys a bit
arrogant!'. When I saw pictures of people queuing up outside Apple
stores (at launch in June 2007) I thought they were nuts.

link: http://stuff.tv/Review/Apple-iPhone/
It's not just me. Go read www.stuff.tv - they have a review of the
iPhone. It's very honest. The tagline: "You'll want one, your friends
will want one, and your dog wants one. Admit it to yourself and
embrace a tech legend.".

[1] you do realise yuo can unlock it, rite? it takes literally 4
minutes. use ziphone. it's free. it's easy. O2 can go XXXX themselves
(even though their revised =A335 tariff is quite reasonable, but you
shouldn't be locked in for 18 months)

Ivor Jones

2008-03-27, 7:33 am

<childish.chris@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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[snip]

: I'm not saying other phones are better or worse. I'm
: just saying that I personally really like the iPhone.

What will you do when the battery goes flat and you can't change it..?

I won't touch any battery powered device which won't let me change the
battery for a fresh one. Ok I rarely need it but I always carry a spare
battery for my phones and camera. They don't take much space and you never
know when you'll need to use them.

Ivor

Jolly Roger

2008-03-27, 7:33 am

In article <651avmF2e05loU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:

> <childish.chris@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> news:b545d0aa-7cbe-42be-af6d- f16441e748ce@s12g200
0prg.googlegroups.com
>
> [snip]
>
> : I'm not saying other phones are better or worse. I'm
> : just saying that I personally really like the iPhone.
>
> What will you do when the battery goes flat and you can't change it..?

Oh, I don't know... maybe get the battery replaced:

<http://tinyurl.com/24othe>

Duh.

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Ivor Jones

2008-03-27, 7:33 am

"Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
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: In article <651avmF2e05loU1@mid.individual.net>,
: "Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
:
: > <childish.chris@googlemail.com> wrote in message
: > news:b545d0aa-7cbe-42be-af6d- f16441e748ce@s12g200
0prg.googlegroups.com
: >
: > [snip]
: >
: > : I'm not saying other phones are better or worse. I'm
: > : just saying that I personally really like the iPhone.
: >
: > What will you do when the battery goes flat and you
: > can't change it..?
:
: Oh, I don't know... maybe get the battery replaced:
:
: <http://tinyurl.com/24othe>
:
: Duh.

Oh, they have "experienced technicians" standing by, do they..? Right. How
will that help me at 2.30 in the morning on the hard shoulder of the M6..?

Duh.

Ivor

DubDriver

2008-03-27, 7:33 am

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message
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@mid.individual.net...
> "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
> news:jollyroger-D5931C.05343827032008@70-3-168-216.area5.spcsdns.net
> : In article <651avmF2e05loU1@mid.individual.net>,
> : "Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
> :
> : > <childish.chris@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> : > news:b545d0aa-7cbe-42be-af6d- f16441e748ce@s12g200
0prg.googlegroups.com
> : >
> : > [snip]
> : >
> : > : I'm not saying other phones are better or worse. I'm
> : > : just saying that I personally really like the iPhone.
> : >
> : > What will you do when the battery goes flat and you
> : > can't change it..?
> :
> : Oh, I don't know... maybe get the battery replaced:
> :
> : <http://tinyurl.com/24othe>
> :
> : Duh.
>
> Oh, they have "experienced technicians" standing by, do they..? Right. How
> will that help me at 2.30 in the morning on the hard shoulder of the M6..?

You would use one of these
http://www.4mobiles.co.uk/products/...5b95bab8f12125c

Elliott Roper

2008-03-27, 7:33 am

In article <651d7jF2d5vq5U1@mid.individual.net>, Ivor Jones
<ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:

> "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
> news:jollyroger-D5931C.05343827032008@70-3-168-216.area5.spcsdns.net
> : In article <651avmF2e05loU1@mid.individual.net>,
> : "Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
> :
> : > <childish.chris@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> : > news:b545d0aa-7cbe-42be-af6d- f16441e748ce@s12g200
0prg.googlegroups.com
> : >
> : > [snip]
> : >
> : > : I'm not saying other phones are better or worse. I'm
> : > : just saying that I personally really like the iPhone.
> : >
> : > What will you do when the battery goes flat and you
> : > can't change it..?
> :
> : Oh, I don't know... maybe get the battery replaced:
> :
> : <http://tinyurl.com/24othe>
> :
> : Duh.
>
> Oh, they have "experienced technicians" standing by, do they..? Right. How
> will that help me at 2.30 in the morning on the hard shoulder of the M6..?

Oh goody. We have a contender for an even stupider thread than the
install Safari Checkbox thread.

Who in their right mind takes a bunch of batteries on a trip and leaves
the all purpose USB charger at home?

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Ivor Jones

2008-03-27, 7:33 am

"DubDriver" <dubsdrive5@gmail.com> wrote in message
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: "Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message
: news:651d7jF2d5vq5U1
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[snip]

: > Oh, they have "experienced technicians" standing by, do
: > they..? Right. How will that help me at 2.30 in the
: > morning on the hard shoulder of the M6..?
:
: You would use one of these
:
http://www.4mobiles.co.uk/products/...5b95bab8f12125c

No, I'd use a sensible phone with a removable battery. It might go flat
when I'm not in a car.

Ivor

Ivor Jones

2008-03-27, 7:33 am

"Elliott Roper" <nospam@yrl.co.uk> wrote in message
news:270320081124541
015%nospam@yrl.co.uk
: In article <651d7jF2d5vq5U1@mid.individual.net>, Ivor
: Jones <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:

[snip]

: > Oh, they have "experienced technicians" standing by, do
: > they..? Right. How will that help me at 2.30 in the
: > morning on the hard shoulder of the M6..?
:
: Oh goody. We have a contender for an even stupider thread
: than the install Safari Checkbox thread.

Why do you say that..? Was what I said incorrect..? What use are
'experienced technicians' when I can't get to them..?

The fact remains that a portable electronic device without the means of
quickly swapping the battery is a bad idea. Especially when, like a phone,
that device may be necessary in an emergency.

Do you think the police and other emergency services would entertain
portable radios with fixed batteries..?

: Who in their right mind takes a bunch of batteries on a
: trip and leaves the all purpose USB charger at home?

USB charger..? Why would I want one of those..? What are they, anyway..?

I do, however, take a mains charger, a car lighter lead and a desk stand
to charge my spare batteries off the phone.

Ivor

Ian Robinson

2008-03-27, 7:33 am

On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:03:12 +0000, Ivor Jones wrote
(in article <651d7jF2d5vq5U1@mid.individual.net> ):

> Oh, they have "experienced technicians" standing by, do they..? Right. How
> will that help me at 2.30 in the morning on the hard shoulder of the M6..?

Use a car charger. Or a combined FM transmitter/charger. The battery on my
iPhone hasn't run out since I got it last year. It's not an issue for me.

Ian
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Ian Robinson

2008-03-27, 7:33 am

On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:36:53 +0000, Ivor Jones wrote
(in article <651f6oF2dal7tU1@mid.individual.net> ):

> No, I'd use a sensible phone with a removable battery. It might go flat
> when I'm not in a car.

It might go flat when you've forgotten to charge your spare battery. There
are lots of things that might happen. Like buy a phone that meets your needs.
For you it doesn't seem to be the iPhone.

Ian
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Roger Merriman

2008-03-27, 7:33 am

Ian Robinson <junk@canicula.invalid> wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:03:12 +0000, Ivor Jones wrote
> (in article <651d7jF2d5vq5U1@mid.individual.net> ):
>
>
> Use a car charger. Or a combined FM transmitter/charger. The battery on my
> iPhone hasn't run out since I got it last year. It's not an issue for me.
>
> Ian

i have never had a spare battery for a phone, never needed it nor wanted
the fath of having one, most phone, or at least mine could last a 2 days
at least with out needing a charge, when travelling i take a charger.

in the same way i've never needed a ipod changing battery, i've allways
killed the ipod after 3 or so years.

roger
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Paul Fšrster

2008-03-27, 10:33 am

Hi Ian,

On 2008-03-27 13:08:42 +0100, Ian Robinson <junk@canicula.invalid> said:

> The battery on my iPhone hasn't run out since I got it last year. It's
> not an issue for me.

.... read http://www.apple.com/batteries/iphone.html

The article says "For proper maintenance of a lithium-based battery,
itÕs important to keep the electrons in it moving occasionally. Be sure
to go through at least one charge cycle per month."

I did put my iPod batteries through a full cycle once per month and it
seemed to make it last longer than I thought it would. I do the same
with my iPhone battery.
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Ivor Jones

2008-03-27, 10:33 am

"Ian Robinson" <junk@canicula.invalid> wrote in message
news:0001HW. C4113F220009EDBBB01A
D9AF@news.gradwell.net
: On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:36:53 +0000, Ivor Jones wrote
: (in article <651f6oF2dal7tU1@mid.individual.net> ):
:
: > No, I'd use a sensible phone with a removable battery.
: > It might go flat when I'm not in a car.
:
: It might go flat when you've forgotten to charge your
: spare battery. There are lots of things that might
: happen. Like buy a phone that meets your needs. For you
: it doesn't seem to be the iPhone.

I've had mobile phones since the first hand portables came on the market.
I've always made sure I've had at least one spare fully charged battery
with me. Plus, if on an extended trip, two chargers, one mains powered the
other with a 12V car lead.

The phone that meets my needs BTW is the Nokia 6310i. Still using the same
batteries from the 6210 (that was a battery hog if ever there was one..!)
and the 6150 before that. Cycle them correctly and they last for years.

To be honest, my phones spend most of their time in the car kit so rarely
go completely flat, but I've always got at least one spare if they ever
do. It's still a stupid idea to design a piece of equipment that might
just be required in an emergency without the ability to change the battery
easily.

Ivor

Ian Robinson

2008-03-27, 12:33 pm

On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:24:25 +0000, Ivor Jones wrote
(in article <651lgdF2do5f3U1@mid.individual.net> ):

> It's still a stupid idea to design a piece of equipment that might
> just be required in an emergency without the ability to change the battery
> easily.

Not if its easy to charge the battery that's in it.

Ian
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Jolly Roger

2008-03-27, 3:33 pm

In article <651d7jF2d5vq5U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:

> "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
> news:jollyroger-D5931C.05343827032008@70-3-168-216.area5.spcsdns.net
> : In article <651avmF2e05loU1@mid.individual.net>,
> : "Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
> :
> : > <childish.chris@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> : > news:b545d0aa-7cbe-42be-af6d- f16441e748ce@s12g200
0prg.googlegroups.com
> : >
> : > [snip]
> : >
> : > : I'm not saying other phones are better or worse. I'm
> : > : just saying that I personally really like the iPhone.
> : >
> : > What will you do when the battery goes flat and you
> : > can't change it..?
> :
> : Oh, I don't know... maybe get the battery replaced:
> :
> : <http://tinyurl.com/24othe>
> :
> : Duh.
>
> Oh, they have "experienced technicians" standing by, do they..? Right. How
> will that help me at 2.30 in the morning on the hard shoulder of the M6..?
>
> Duh.

Your iPhone battery will slowly hold less and less charge over time, so
you'll have plenty of warning that a new battery is needed. If you
ignore that and decide to wait until the last possible second to think
about changing a battery, you're every bit as dumb as you sound.

Duh.

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Jolly Roger

2008-03-27, 3:33 pm

In article <0001HW. C4113ECA0009D906B01A
D9AF@news.gradwell.net>,
Ian Robinson <junk@canicula.invalid> wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:03:12 +0000, Ivor Jones wrote
> (in article <651d7jF2d5vq5U1@mid.individual.net> ):
>
>
> Use a car charger. Or a combined FM transmitter/charger. The battery on my
> iPhone hasn't run out since I got it last year. It's not an issue for me.

He's made it clear his little brain can't think that far ahead in time.

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Jolly Roger

2008-03-27, 3:33 pm

In article <651lgdF2do5f3U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:

> "Ian Robinson" <junk@canicula.invalid> wrote in message
> news:0001HW. C4113F220009EDBBB01A
D9AF@news.gradwell.net
> : On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:36:53 +0000, Ivor Jones wrote
> : (in article <651f6oF2dal7tU1@mid.individual.net> ):
> :
> : > No, I'd use a sensible phone with a removable battery.
> : > It might go flat when I'm not in a car.
> :
> : It might go flat when you've forgotten to charge your
> : spare battery. There are lots of things that might
> : happen. Like buy a phone that meets your needs. For you
> : it doesn't seem to be the iPhone.
>
> I've had mobile phones since the first hand portables came on the market.
> I've always made sure I've had at least one spare fully charged battery
> with me. Plus, if on an extended trip, two chargers, one mains powered the
> other with a 12V car lead.

So you will happily use a car charger for your Nokia, but XXXX using one
for your iPhone. Uh huh...

> The phone that meets my needs BTW is the Nokia 6310i. Still using the same
> batteries from the 6210 (that was a battery hog if ever there was one..!)
> and the 6150 before that. Cycle them correctly and they last for years.

Same with the iPhone battery. Duh.

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Ian Robinson

2008-03-27, 3:33 pm

On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:06:54 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote
(in article
<jollyroger-49FA06. 13065427032008@earth
link.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net> ):

>
> He's made it clear his little brain can't think that far ahead in time.

That's uncalled for. People are allowed to have differing opinions. Even when
they're wrong!

Ian
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Jolly Roger

2008-03-27, 3:33 pm

In article <0001HW. C4119EA10006473FB01A
D9AF@news.gradwell.net>,
Ian Robinson <junk@canicula.invalid> wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:06:54 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote
> (in article
> <jollyroger-49FA06. 13065427032008@earth
link.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net> ):
>
>
> That's uncalled for. People are allowed to have differing opinions. Even when
> they're wrong!

I saw his statements that the iPhone isn't a "sensible phone", his
refusal to consider using a car charger with an iPhone while happily
using one with your Nokia, and his refusal to let Apple or a third party
replace the battery for him as trolls. I guess I was wrong?

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Ian Robinson

2008-03-27, 3:33 pm

On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:10:20 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote
(in article
<jollyroger-28218E. 14102027032008@earth
link.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net> ):

> I guess I was wrong?

Not necessarily. We're probably into diminishing returns in this thread I
think.

Ian

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childish.chris@googlemail.com

2008-03-27, 3:33 pm

On Mar 27, 1:24 pm, "Ivor Jones" <i...@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
> "Ian Robinson" <j...@canicula.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:0001HW. C4113F220009EDBBB01A
D9AF@news.gradwell.net
> : On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:36:53 +0000, Ivor Jones wrote
> : (in article <651f6oF2dal7...@mid.individual.net> ):
> :
> : > No, I'd use a sensible phone with a removable battery.
> : > It might go flat when I'm not in a car.
> :
> : It might go flat when you've forgotten to charge your
> : spare battery. There are lots of things that might
> : happen. Like buy a phone that meets your needs. For you
> : it doesn't seem to be the iPhone.
>
> I've had mobile phones since the first hand portables came on the market.
> I've always made sure I've had at least one spare fully charged battery
> with me. Plus, if on an extended trip, two chargers, one mains powered the
> other with a 12V car lead.
>
> The phone that meets my needs BTW is the Nokia 6310i. Still using the same
> batteries from the 6210 (that was a battery hog if ever there was one..!)
> and the 6150 before that. Cycle them correctly and they last for years.
>
> To be honest, my phones spend most of their time in the car kit so rarely
> go completely flat, but I've always got at least one spare if they ever
> do. It's still a stupid idea to design a piece of equipment that might
> just be required in an emergency without the ability to change the battery
> easily.
>
> Ivor

Ivor,

The battery really is a minor issue.

The most amazing feature of the iPhone is that the menu is lighting-
fast. Everything moves at the speed of light. You are not forever
faffing around with little buttons trying to do a task. It's all
really obvious and ultra-intuitive. I know the camera megapixelage
sucks. it's a total non issue. my dad to day use and enjoyment of my
iphone is really high.

It's not so much a phone with extra features (music player etc.) it's
actually a COMPUTER with a phone as an extra.

Get a good data plan (essential in my view)

Today I was sitting in Starbucks, having a wee rest. I wanted to read
my emails. You can just slide your finger across from left to right
and it deletes it.

Seriously, watch this: http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/a...ome_848x480.zip

Please watch the video above.

Did you know that in china there's a huge black/grey market for
iphones. Chinese air hostesses are paid a reward to smuggle them in
from the states! (like 40 quid each or something). that's not due to
hype / marketing. It's purely demand based on the merit of the
product.

you have to ask yourself why so many people are raving about this
product. (and there are not just apple fans etc!)

It's all about the interface!! watch the video. then think about the
stuff you do every day. think how much quicker you'd get stuff done on
an iphone

This is my favourite gadget, next to my TiVo (which was always under-
rated and sound crappy on the tech sheet).. years ago people were like
'what's wrong with a vcr? it does the same thing?!?!? TRUE, but it's
sooo much easier to use.

Ivor Jones

2008-03-28, 10:33 pm

"Ian Robinson" <junk@canicula.invalid> wrote in message
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: On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:24:25 +0000, Ivor Jones wrote
: (in article <651lgdF2do5f3U1@mid.individual.net> ):
:
: > It's still a stupid idea to design a piece of equipment
: > that might
: > just be required in an emergency without the ability to
: > change the battery easily.
:
: Not if its easy to charge the battery that's in it.

Well if you're out walking it isn't very easy now is it..? Not without
those "experienced technicians" along with you.

Ivor

Ivor Jones

2008-03-28, 10:33 pm

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[snip]

: So you will happily use a car charger for your Nokia, but
: XXXX using one for your iPhone. Uh huh...

Ah, foul language. The last resort of those who know they've lost the
plot.

*plonk*

Ivor

Ivor Jones

2008-03-28, 10:33 pm

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[snip]

: Ivor,
:
: The battery really is a minor issue.

Except if it goes flat while you're out.

Ivor

Ivor Jones

2008-03-28, 10:33 pm

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[snip]

: I saw his statements that the iPhone isn't a "sensible
: phone", his refusal to consider using a car charger with
: an iPhone while happily using one with your Nokia, and
: his refusal to let Apple or a third party replace the
: battery for him as trolls. I guess I was wrong?

How precisely am I supposed to "let Apple or a third party replace the
battery" when I'm out for a walk..?

My whole point is that at some stage the battery *might just* go flat when
you're not within range of a charger or an "experienced technician" - what
do you do then..? I can change the battery on just about any other phone.

Ivor

Ivor Jones

2008-03-28, 10:33 pm

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[snip]

: Your iPhone battery will slowly hold less and less charge
: over time, so you'll have plenty of warning that a new
: battery is needed. If you ignore that and decide to wait
: until the last possible second to think about changing a
: battery, you're every bit as dumb as you sound.
:
: Duh.

Don't be stupid. A battery going flat through normal use is not the same
as one failing through coming to the end of its life.

At some stage, you'll end up using the phone enough to flatten the battery
when you're not within range of a charger. You could do that with a brand
new battery never mind an old one.

Duh.

Ivor

Ian Robinson

2008-03-28, 10:33 pm

On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:52:06 +0000, Ivor Jones wrote
(in article <65543pF2ec4cvU1@mid.individual.net> ):

>
> Well if you're out walking it isn't very easy now is it..? Not without
> those "experienced technicians" along with you.

You seem to be changing your reason for not getting an iPhone whenever people
address the concern in your most recent post. If it doesn't meet your needs
don't buy one.

Ian
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Ivor Jones

2008-03-28, 10:33 pm

"Ian Robinson" <junk@canicula.invalid> wrote in message
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: On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:52:06 +0000, Ivor Jones wrote
: (in article <65543pF2ec4cvU1@mid.individual.net> ):
:
: >> Not if its easy to charge the battery that's in it.
: >
: > Well if you're out walking it isn't very easy now is
: > it..? Not without those "experienced technicians" along
: > with you.
:
: You seem to be changing your reason for not getting an
: iPhone whenever people address the concern in your most
: recent post. If it doesn't meet your needs don't buy one.

I won't. But you're missing my point, which has been the same from the
start - if your battery goes flat when you're not able to charge it or
swap it for a fresh one, then you're snookered.

Which, despite what you may believe, is my sole reason for disliking the
iPhone. If it had a swappable battery I would seriously consider it as an
alternative (but not as a main phone, the 6310i is just too good..!)

Ivor

Jolly Roger

2008-03-28, 10:33 pm

In article <6554i1F2eco8cU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:

> "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
> news:jollyroger-C9366C. 13055627032008@earth
link.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net
>
> [snip]
>
> : Your iPhone battery will slowly hold less and less charge
> : over time, so you'll have plenty of warning that a new
> : battery is needed. If you ignore that and decide to wait
> : until the last possible second to think about changing a
> : battery, you're every bit as dumb as you sound.
> :
> : Duh.
>
> Don't be stupid. A battery going flat through normal use is not the same
> as one failing through coming to the end of its life.

You have ample warning either way. So it's the same in that respect,
and that's what we are talking about here.

> At some stage, you'll end up using the phone enough to flatten the battery
> when you're not within range of a charger.

Then you didn't plan ahead very well, I'd say.

> You could do that with a brand
> new battery never mind an old one.
>
> Duh.

If you find yourself in this situation, you have nobody to blame but
yourself.

Duh indeed.

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Jolly Roger

2008-03-28, 10:33 pm

In article <6554ckF2edv8mU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:

> "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
> news:jollyroger-28218E. 14102027032008@earth
link.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net
>
> [snip]
>
> : I saw his statements that the iPhone isn't a "sensible
> : phone", his refusal to consider using a car charger with
> : an iPhone while happily using one with your Nokia, and
> : his refusal to let Apple or a third party replace the
> : battery for him as trolls. I guess I was wrong?
>
> How precisely am I supposed to "let Apple or a third party replace the
> battery" when I'm out for a walk..?
>
> My whole point is that at some stage the battery *might just* go flat when
> you're not within range of a charger or an "experienced technician" - what
> do you do then..?

Notice the symptoms of a battery losing its charge ahead of time. Plan
ahead better.

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Jolly Roger

2008-03-28, 10:33 pm

In article <655463F2ddqj8U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:

> "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
> news:jollyroger-75C59B. 13100227032008@earth
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>
> [snip]
>
> : So you will happily use a car charger for your Nokia, but
> : XXXX using one for your iPhone. Uh huh...
>
> Ah, foul language. The last resort of those who know they've lost the
> plot.

The "XXXX" was for emphasis. Don't try to pretend it was to belittle
anyone or anything.

> *plonk*

Go for it.

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Ian Robinson

2008-03-29, 7:33 am

On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:33:33 +0000, Ivor Jones wrote
(in article <655dihF2eel4mU1@mid.individual.net> ):

> But you're missing my point, which has been the same from the
> start - if your battery goes flat when you're not able to charge it or
> swap it for a fresh one, then you're snookered.

I'm not. I just don't agree it's an issue.

Ian
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Ivor Jones

2008-03-29, 3:33 pm

"Ian Robinson" <junk@canicula.invalid> wrote in message
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: On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:33:33 +0000, Ivor Jones wrote
: (in article <655dihF2eel4mU1@mid.individual.net> ):
:
: > But you're missing my point, which has been the same
: > from the
: > start - if your battery goes flat when you're not able
: > to charge it or swap it for a fresh one, then you're
: > snookered.
:
: I'm not. I just don't agree it's an issue.

It will be if your battery ever goes flat and you need to make an
emergency call.

But I sincerely hope it never happens to you.

Ivor

Elliott Roper

2008-03-29, 3:33 pm

In article <657hi0F2c3aklU1@mid.individual.net>, Ivor Jones
<ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:

> "Ian Robinson" <junk@canicula.invalid> wrote in message
> news:0001HW. C413BFA60002450EB01A
D9AF@news.gradwell.net
> : On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:33:33 +0000, Ivor Jones wrote
> : (in article <655dihF2eel4mU1@mid.individual.net> ):
> :
> : > But you're missing my point, which has been the same
> : > from the
> : > start - if your battery goes flat when you're not able
> : > to charge it or swap it for a fresh one, then you're
> : > snookered.
> :
> : I'm not. I just don't agree it's an issue.
>
> It will be if your battery ever goes flat and you need to make an
> emergency call.
>
> But I sincerely hope it never happens to you.

I don't think I have ever witnessed a more pathetic discussion on
usenet in my entire life.

If you are that stressed about emergency calls, why oh why are you so
fixated on a single systems failure mode? Possibly the one of the more
unlikely ones.

Now PLEASE, give it a rest. I'll have to start reading german
airflight spam to restore my sanity.

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Ian Robinson

2008-03-29, 3:33 pm

On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:53:47 +0000, Ivor Jones wrote
(in article <657hi0F2c3aklU1@mid.individual.net> ):

> It will be if your battery ever goes flat and you need to make an
> emergency call.
>
> But I sincerely hope it never happens to you.

I got my first mobile in the nineties (IIRC) . Hasn't happened yet. Never
felt the need to carry 2 batteries either. Just charge the thing over night.
Or buy a solar charger if you are out and about a lot.

Ian
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Ian Robinson

2008-03-29, 3:33 pm

On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:18:05 +0000, Elliott Roper wrote
(in article < 290320081918055159%n
ospam@yrl.co.uk> ):

>
> I don't think I have ever witnessed a more pathetic discussion on
> usenet in my entire life.

:-)

Ian
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Ivor Jones

2008-03-29, 3:33 pm

"Elliott Roper" <nospam@yrl.co.uk> wrote in message
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[snip]

: I don't think I have ever witnessed a more pathetic
: discussion on usenet in my entire life.

You're entitled to your opinions.

: If you are that stressed about emergency calls, why oh
: why are you so fixated on a single systems failure mode?

Because if it ever happens, it's critical. I *have* had to make a couple
of 999 calls on my mobile in the past. I'd rather like the phone I have
with me to have some battery power.

: Possibly the one of the more unlikely ones.

Perhaps. But I won't use an iPhone until they have replaceable batteries.

: Now PLEASE, give it a rest. I'll have to start reading
: german airflight spam to restore my sanity.

Read what you like. Including this thread (or not).

Ivor

Ivor Jones

2008-03-29, 3:33 pm

"Ian Robinson" <junk@canicula.invalid> wrote in message
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: On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:53:47 +0000, Ivor Jones wrote
: (in article <657hi0F2c3aklU1@mid.individual.net> ):
:
: > It will be if your battery ever goes flat and you need
: > to make an emergency call.
: >
: > But I sincerely hope it never happens to you.
:
: I got my first mobile in the nineties (IIRC) . Hasn't
: happened yet. Never felt the need to carry 2 batteries
: either. Just charge the thing over night. Or buy a solar
: charger if you are out and about a lot.

Whatever works for you. But I prefer a spare battery.

Ivor

Gaz

2008-03-30, 12:33 pm

John Mason wrote:
> <childish.chris@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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>
> The iPhone appear to lack serveral basic functions, makes me wonder
> if its worth the extortionate cost.

But it is truly fantastic phone. Considering its Apples first, it is
amazing.

Gaz

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